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Horse profile
Would You Believe (IRE)
- Sex
- gelding
- Foaled
- 2015
See also: Would You Believe (GB) · Philip Hobbs · 20 runs · 2 wins
- Highest OR
- 88
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 1 win from 2 runs (50%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- €10,780 IRE
- Last official rating
- 88 (Flat)
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 24 Sep 2017, Naas (IRE) (PU/14)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- 19 Aug 2017, Curragh (IRE)
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Btn | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | OR | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Days | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 24 Sep 17 | Naas (IRE) | PU/14 | 7/4F | - | Colin Keane | Ger Lyons | Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race | Non-handicap (unclassified) | Flat Turf | 6f | Soft | 9-4 | 88 | Powersville (IRE) | €15,375 | 36 | 1/13 |
| 19 Aug 17 | Curragh (IRE) | 1/17 | 4/1 | won hd | Colin Keane | Ger Lyons | Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden | Non-handicap (unclassified) | Flat Turf | 6f | Yielding to Soft | 9-5 | - | Kion (IRE) | €10,780 | - | 2/15 |
Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race
Non-handicap (unclassified)6fSoft
All fields
- Date
- 24 Sep 17
- Course
- Naas (IRE)
- Pos
- PU/14
- SP
- 7/4F
- Btn
- -
- Jockey
- Colin Keane
- Trainer
- Ger Lyons
- Race
- Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race
- Class
- Non-handicap (unclassified)
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 6f
- Going
- Soft
- Wgt
- 9-4
- OR
- 88
- Winner / 2nd
- Powersville (IRE)
- Winner prize
- €15,375
- Days
- 36
- Future form
- 1/13
- 1/1719 Aug 17 · Curragh (IRE)4/1
Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden
Non-handicap (unclassified)6fYielding to Soft
All fields
- Date
- 19 Aug 17
- Course
- Curragh (IRE)
- Pos
- 1/17
- SP
- 4/1
- Btn
- won hd
- Jockey
- Colin Keane
- Trainer
- Ger Lyons
- Race
- Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden
- Class
- Non-handicap (unclassified)
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 6f
- Going
- Yielding to Soft
- Wgt
- 9-5
- OR
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Kion (IRE)
- Winner prize
- €10,780
- Days
- -
- Future form
- 2/15
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races
| Date | Course | Race | This horse | Winner next time | Their pos | Won on | At | Race won |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 24 Sep 17 | Naas (IRE) | Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race | PU/14 | Sunday Smart (IRE) | 2 | 7 Oct 17 | Limerick (IRE) | Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Maiden |
| 19 Aug 17 | Curragh (IRE) | Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden | 1/17 | Kion (IRE) | 2 | 5 Mar 18 | Wolverhampton (AW) | Betway Novice Stakes |
| 19 Aug 17 | Curragh (IRE) | Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden | 1/17 | Powersville (IRE) | 3 | 2 Sep 17 | Navan (IRE) | Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Maiden |
- PU/1424 Sep 17 · Naas (IRE)
Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race
All fields
- Date
- 24 Sep 17
- Course
- Naas (IRE)
- Race
- Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race
- This horse
- PU/14
- Winner next time
- Sunday Smart (IRE)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 7 Oct 17
- Race won
- Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Maiden
- 1/1719 Aug 17 · Curragh (IRE)
Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden
All fields
- Date
- 19 Aug 17
- Course
- Curragh (IRE)
- Race
- Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden
- This horse
- 1/17
- Winner next time
- Kion (IRE)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 5 Mar 18
- At
- Wolverhampton (AW)
- Race won
- Betway Novice Stakes
- 1/1719 Aug 17 · Curragh (IRE)
Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden
All fields
- Date
- 19 Aug 17
- Course
- Curragh (IRE)
- Race
- Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden
- This horse
- 1/17
- Winner next time
- Powersville (IRE)
- Their pos
- 3
- Won on
- 2 Sep 17
- Race won
- Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Maiden
Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).
Trainer changes
| Trainer | First run | Last run | First run for yard | OR first run | OR last run | Best OR | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ger Lyons | 19 Aug 17 | 24 Sep 17 | 1/17 | 88 | 88 | 88 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €10,780 |
Ger Lyons
- Trainer
- Ger Lyons
- First run
- 19 Aug 17
- Last run
- 24 Sep 17
- First run for yard
- 1/17
- OR first run
- 88
- OR last run
- 88
- Best OR
- 88
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €10,780
Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | Best OR | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €10,780 | 88 | 19 Aug 17 | 24 Sep 17 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €10,780
- Best OR
- 88
- First run
- 19 Aug 17
- Last run
- 24 Sep 17
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchDream Ahead (USA)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireDiktat (GB)
- Sire's damLand Of Dreams (GB)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchQueen Grace (IRE)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sireChoisir (AUS)
- Dam's damPetitesse (GB)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sirePetong (GB)
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
Breeding card
Female line
- Queen Grace (IRE) · by Choisir (AUS) · 5 winners from 8 runners
- Petitesse (GB) · by Petong (GB) · 6 winners from 10 runners
- Foudroyer (GB) · 3 winners from 3 runners
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Dream Ahead (USA) | Queen Grace (IRE) | Choisir (AUS) | gelding | Flat 6.7f · NH 2m½f | Flat 7.1f · NH 2m4f |
Dream Ahead (USA)
- Damsire
- Choisir (AUS)
- Sex
- gelding
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 6.7f · NH 2m½f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- Flat 7.1f · NH 2m4f
Progeny of Dream Ahead (USA) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All Flat runs | 4,026 | 404 | 1,143 | 2 | 1 | ||
| At 5f to 6f | 1,984 | 232 | 627 | 2 | 1 | ||
| On Good to soft or yielding going | 471 | 46 | 130 | 1 | 1 | ||
| At 5f to 6f on Good to soft or yielding going | 238 | 30 | 74 | 1 | 1 |
All Flat runs
- Condition
- All Flat runs
- Runs
- 4,026
- Wins
- 404
- Placed
- 1,143
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 2
- This horse wins
- 1
At 5f to 6f
- Condition
- At 5f to 6f
- Runs
- 1,984
- Wins
- 232
- Placed
- 627
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 2
- This horse wins
- 1
On Good to soft or yielding going
- Condition
- On Good to soft or yielding going
- Runs
- 471
- Wins
- 46
- Placed
- 130
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 1
At 5f to 6f on Good to soft or yielding going
- Condition
- At 5f to 6f on Good to soft or yielding going
- Runs
- 238
- Wins
- 30
- Placed
- 74
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 1
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Dream Ahead (USA) × Choisir mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 3 | 3 | 1 | 25 | 8 | 6 | £96,358 | €10,780 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runners
- 3
- Winners
- 3
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 1
- Runs
- 25
- Wins
- 8
- 2nd/3rd
- 6
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £96,358
- Prize IRE (€)
- €10,780
Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Best win | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Tisbutadream (IRE) | 15 | 5 | 1 | Listed | £88,225 | €0 |
| Broadhaven Dream (IRE) | 8 | 2 | 0 | - | £8,133 | €0 |
| Would You Believe (IRE) | 2 | 1 | 0 | - | £0 | €10,780 |
Tisbutadream (IRE)
- Horse
- Tisbutadream (IRE)
- Runs
- 15
- Wins
- 5
- Black-type wins
- 1
- Best win
- Listed
- Prize GB (£)
- £88,225
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Broadhaven Dream (IRE)
- Runs
- 8
- Wins
- 2
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £8,133
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Would You Believe (IRE)
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €10,780
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Ratings
Official ratings
| Code | Current OR | Highest OR | Lowest OR | Rated runs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 88 | 88 | 88 | 1 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Current OR
- 88
- Highest OR
- 88
- Lowest OR
- 88
- Rated runs
- 1
Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.
Official rating by run
| Date | Course | Code | OR | Pos |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 24 Sep 17 | Naas (IRE) | Flat | 88 | PU/14 |
- PU/1424 Sep 17 · Naas (IRE)
All fields
- Date
- 24 Sep 17
- Course
- Naas (IRE)
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 88
- Pos
- PU/14
Current mark v winning marks
| Code | Current OR | OR last run | Change | Highest OR | v highest |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 88 | 88 | 0 | 88 | 0 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Current OR
- 88
- OR last run
- 88
- Change
- 0
- Highest OR
- 88
- v highest
- 0
Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 0
- Produce
- 5 winners from 8 runners
Full siblings
- Broadhaven Dream (IRE)2W · 8R
Half siblings
By No Nay Never (USA)
- Nullifier (IRE)2W · 8R
By Gutaifan (IRE)
- Maguire's Grace (IRE)1W · 8R
By El Kabeir (USA)
- Notwithstanding (IRE)0W · 7R
By Sioux Nation (USA)
- Lakota Lady (IRE)0W · 11R
By Churchill (IRE)
- Carrigans Grove (IRE)3W · 23R
By Soldier's Call (GB)
- Dawn Awakening (IRE)0W · 6R
Female line
- 1Queen Grace (IRE) · by Choisir (AUS)
- 2Petitesse (GB) · by Petong (GB)
- 3Foudroyer (GB)
Notable relatives
First cousin once removed
- Cape Blanco (IRE)6W · 8R · 2 G1
Great-uncle (out of 3rd dam)
- Paris House (GB)9W · 20R · 4 black-type
In brief
When was Would You Believe foaled?
Would You Believe (IRE) was foaled in 2015.
Who are the sire and dam of Would You Believe?
Would You Believe (IRE) is by Dream Ahead (USA) out of Queen Grace (IRE), a daughter of Choisir (AUS).
Who trained Would You Believe?
Would You Believe (IRE) was trained by Ger Lyons and owned by Vincent Gaul at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.
What is Would You Believe's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, Would You Believe (IRE) won 1 of 2 races (50%).
What is Would You Believe's biggest win?
Would You Believe (IRE)'s only win in Britain or Ireland came in the Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden at Curragh (IRE) on 19 August 2017.
Has Would You Believe ever been beaten?
Would You Believe (IRE) was beaten once in 2 runs in Britain and Ireland, on 24 September 2017 at Naas (IRE) (pulled up, 14 ran).
What was Would You Believe's official rating?
Would You Believe (IRE) was last officially rated 88 on the Flat (also the career high).
Is Would You Believe still racing?
Would You Believe (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 24 September 2017 at Naas (IRE) in the Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race (result: pulled up, 14 ran), and has not run there since.
Is Would You Believe related to any top horses?
Would You Believe (IRE)'s black-type relatives in Britain and Ireland include Cape Blanco (IRE) (first cousin once removed, Group 1 winner) and Paris House (GB) (great-uncle, Group 2 winner), from the Foudroyer (GB) family.
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