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Horse profile

Would You Believe (IRE)

Sex
gelding
Foaled
2015

See also: Would You Believe (GB) · Philip Hobbs · 20 runs · 2 wins

Highest OR
88
Record (GB & IRE)
1 win from 2 runs (50%)
Prize money (GB & IRE)
€10,780 IRE
Last official rating
88 (Flat)
Last run (GB & IRE)
24 Sep 2017, Naas (IRE) (PU/14)
Last win (GB & IRE)
19 Aug 2017, Curragh (IRE)
Recent form
1PU

Form

Race record

DateCoursePosSPBtnJockeyTrainerRaceClassTypeDistGoingWgtORWinner / 2ndWinner prizeDaysFuture form
24 Sep 17Naas (IRE)PU/147/4F-Colin KeaneGer LyonsForan Equine Irish EBF Auction RaceNon-handicap (unclassified)Flat Turf6fSoft9-488Powersville (IRE)€15,375361/13
19 Aug 17Curragh (IRE)1/174/1won hdColin KeaneGer LyonsIrish Stallion Farms EBF MaidenNon-handicap (unclassified)Flat Turf6fYielding to Soft9-5-Kion (IRE)€10,780-2/15
  • PU/1424 Sep 17 · Naas (IRE)7/4F

    Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race

    Non-handicap (unclassified)6fSoft

    All fields
    Date
    24 Sep 17
    Pos
    PU/14
    SP
    7/4F
    Btn
    -
    Trainer
    Ger Lyons
    Race
    Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race
    Class
    Non-handicap (unclassified)
    Type
    Flat Turf
    Dist
    6f
    Going
    Soft
    Wgt
    9-4
    OR
    88
    Winner / 2nd
    Powersville (IRE)
    Winner prize
    €15,375
    Days
    36
    Future form
    1/13
  • 1/1719 Aug 17 · Curragh (IRE)4/1

    Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden

    Non-handicap (unclassified)6fYielding to Soft

    All fields
    Date
    19 Aug 17
    Course
    Curragh (IRE)
    Pos
    1/17
    SP
    4/1
    Btn
    won hd
    Trainer
    Ger Lyons
    Race
    Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden
    Class
    Non-handicap (unclassified)
    Type
    Flat Turf
    Dist
    6f
    Going
    Yielding to Soft
    Wgt
    9-5
    OR
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Kion (IRE)
    Winner prize
    €10,780
    Days
    -
    Future form
    2/15

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

DateCourseRaceThis horseWinner next timeTheir posWon onAtRace won
24 Sep 17Naas (IRE)Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction RacePU/14Sunday Smart (IRE)27 Oct 17Limerick (IRE)Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Maiden
19 Aug 17Curragh (IRE)Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden1/17Kion (IRE)25 Mar 18Wolverhampton (AW)Betway Novice Stakes
19 Aug 17Curragh (IRE)Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden1/17Powersville (IRE)32 Sep 17Navan (IRE)Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Maiden
  • PU/1424 Sep 17 · Naas (IRE)

    Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race

    All fields
    Date
    24 Sep 17
    Race
    Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race
    This horse
    PU/14
    Winner next time
    Sunday Smart (IRE)
    Their pos
    2
    Won on
    7 Oct 17
    Race won
    Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Maiden
  • 1/1719 Aug 17 · Curragh (IRE)

    Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden

    All fields
    Date
    19 Aug 17
    Course
    Curragh (IRE)
    Race
    Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden
    This horse
    1/17
    Winner next time
    Kion (IRE)
    Their pos
    2
    Won on
    5 Mar 18
    At
    Wolverhampton (AW)
    Race won
    Betway Novice Stakes
  • 1/1719 Aug 17 · Curragh (IRE)

    Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden

    All fields
    Date
    19 Aug 17
    Course
    Curragh (IRE)
    Race
    Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden
    This horse
    1/17
    Winner next time
    Powersville (IRE)
    Their pos
    3
    Won on
    2 Sep 17
    Race won
    Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Maiden

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

TrainerFirst runLast runFirst run for yardOR first runOR last runBest ORRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Ger Lyons19 Aug 1724 Sep 171/17888888210050.0%50.0%£0€10,780
Ger Lyons
Trainer
Ger Lyons
First run
19 Aug 17
Last run
24 Sep 17
First run for yard
1/17
OR first run
88
OR last run
88
Best OR
88
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€10,780

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

CodeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)Best ORFirst runLast run
Flat210050.0%50.0%£0€10,7808819 Aug 1724 Sep 17
Flat
Code
Flat
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€10,780
Best OR
88
First run
19 Aug 17
Last run
24 Sep 17

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

Pedigree

Pedigree

Sire branchDream Ahead (USA)

Parent · 1

  1. SireDream Ahead (USA)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Sire's sireDiktat (GB)
  2. Sire's damLand Of Dreams (GB)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Sire's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's sire's damNot traced
  3. Sire's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchQueen Grace (IRE)

Parent · 1

  1. DamQueen Grace (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Dam's sireChoisir (AUS)
  2. Dam's damPetitesse (GB)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Dam's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Dam's sire's damNot traced
  3. Dam's dam's sirePetong (GB)
  4. Dam's dam's damNot traced
Petitesse (GB)
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Petong (GB)
Not traced

Breeding card

HorseWould You Believe (IRE)
Sexgelding
Foaled2015
SireDream Ahead (USA)
DamQueen Grace (IRE)
DamsireChoisir (AUS)
Sire's sireDiktat (GB)
Sire's damLand Of Dreams (GB)
2nd damPetitesse (GB)
2nd dam's sirePetong (GB)
Dam's produce5 winners from 8 runners
Notable siblingBroadhaven Dream (IRE)

Female line

  1. Queen Grace (IRE) · by Choisir (AUS) · 5 winners from 8 runners
  2. Petitesse (GB) · by Petong (GB) · 6 winners from 10 runners
  3. Foudroyer (GB) · 3 winners from 3 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

SireDamDamsireSexSire's avg winning distanceDamsire's avg winning distance
Dream Ahead (USA)Queen Grace (IRE)Choisir (AUS)geldingFlat 6.7f · NH 2m½fFlat 7.1f · NH 2m4f
Dream Ahead (USA)
Sex
gelding
Sire's avg winning distance
Flat 6.7f · NH 2m½f
Damsire's avg winning distance
Flat 7.1f · NH 2m4f

Progeny of Dream Ahead (USA) in this horse's best conditions

ConditionRunsWinsPlacedWin %Place %This horse runsThis horse wins
All Flat runs4,0264041,14310.0%28.4%21
At 5f to 6f1,98423262711.7%31.6%21
On Good to soft or yielding going471461309.8%27.6%11
At 5f to 6f on Good to soft or yielding going238307412.6%31.1%11
All Flat runs
Condition
All Flat runs
Runs
4,026
Wins
404
Placed
1,143
Win %
10.0%
Place %
28.4%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
1
At 5f to 6f
Condition
At 5f to 6f
Runs
1,984
Wins
232
Placed
627
Win %
11.7%
Place %
31.6%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
1
On Good to soft or yielding going
Condition
On Good to soft or yielding going
Runs
471
Wins
46
Placed
130
Win %
9.8%
Place %
27.6%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
1
At 5f to 6f on Good to soft or yielding going
Condition
At 5f to 6f on Good to soft or yielding going
Runs
238
Wins
30
Placed
74
Win %
12.6%
Place %
31.1%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
1

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Dream Ahead (USA) × Choisir mares (the cross)

CodeRunnersWinnersWinners %Black-type winnersRunsWins2nd/3rdWin %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Flat33100.0%1258632.0%£96,358€10,780
Flat
Code
Flat
Runners
3
Winners
3
Winners %
100.0%
Black-type winners
1
Runs
25
Wins
8
2nd/3rd
6
Win %
32.0%
Prize GB (£)
£96,358
Prize IRE (€)
€10,780

Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.

Best of the cross

HorseRunsWinsBlack-type winsBest winPrize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Tisbutadream (IRE)1551Listed£88,225€0
Broadhaven Dream (IRE)820-£8,133€0
Would You Believe (IRE)210-£0€10,780
Tisbutadream (IRE)
Runs
15
Wins
5
Black-type wins
1
Best win
Listed
Prize GB (£)
£88,225
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Broadhaven Dream (IRE)
Runs
8
Wins
2
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£8,133
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Would You Believe (IRE)
Runs
2
Wins
1
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€10,780

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Ratings

Official ratings

CodeCurrent ORHighest ORLowest ORRated runs
Flat8888881
Flat
Code
Flat
Current OR
88
Highest OR
88
Lowest OR
88
Rated runs
1

Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.

Official rating by run

DateCourseCodeORPos
24 Sep 17Naas (IRE)Flat88PU/14

Current mark v winning marks

CodeCurrent OROR last runChangeHighest ORv highest
Flat88880880
Flat
Code
Flat
Current OR
88
OR last run
88
Change
0
Highest OR
88
v highest
0

Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.

Family

Dam summary

Queen Grace (IRE)

G1 winners
0
Produce
5 winners from 8 runners

Full siblings

Half siblings

By No Nay Never (USA)

By Gutaifan (IRE)

By El Kabeir (USA)

By Sioux Nation (USA)

By Churchill (IRE)

By Soldier's Call (GB)

Female line

  1. 1Queen Grace (IRE) · by Choisir (AUS)
  2. 2Petitesse (GB) · by Petong (GB)
  3. 3Foudroyer (GB)

Notable relatives

First cousin once removed

Great-uncle (out of 3rd dam)

View full Foudroyer family

In brief

When was Would You Believe foaled?

Would You Believe (IRE) was foaled in 2015.

Who are the sire and dam of Would You Believe?

Would You Believe (IRE) is by Dream Ahead (USA) out of Queen Grace (IRE), a daughter of Choisir (AUS).

Who trained Would You Believe?

Would You Believe (IRE) was trained by Ger Lyons and owned by Vincent Gaul at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is Would You Believe's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, Would You Believe (IRE) won 1 of 2 races (50%).

What is Would You Believe's biggest win?

Would You Believe (IRE)'s only win in Britain or Ireland came in the Irish Stallion Farms EBF Maiden at Curragh (IRE) on 19 August 2017.

Has Would You Believe ever been beaten?

Would You Believe (IRE) was beaten once in 2 runs in Britain and Ireland, on 24 September 2017 at Naas (IRE) (pulled up, 14 ran).

What was Would You Believe's official rating?

Would You Believe (IRE) was last officially rated 88 on the Flat (also the career high).

Is Would You Believe still racing?

Would You Believe (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 24 September 2017 at Naas (IRE) in the Foran Equine Irish EBF Auction Race (result: pulled up, 14 ran), and has not run there since.

Is Would You Believe related to any top horses?

Would You Believe (IRE)'s black-type relatives in Britain and Ireland include Cape Blanco (IRE) (first cousin once removed, Group 1 winner) and Paris House (GB) (great-uncle, Group 2 winner), from the Foudroyer (GB) family.

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