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Horse profile

We Had It All Said

Flemensfirth (USA) × Glorious Feeling (IRE) (Old Vic (GB))
Sex
gelding
Foaled
2017
Colour
bay
Record (GB & IRE)
0 wins from 3 runs (0%)
Prize money (GB & IRE)
€405 IRE
Last run (GB & IRE)
14 May 2023, Killarney (IRE) (6/15)
Last win (GB & IRE)
Never won
Recent form
566

Form

Race record

DateCoursePosSPBtnJockeyTrainerRaceClassTypeDistGoingWgtHeadgearWinner / 2ndWinner prizeDaysFuture form
14 May 23Killarney (IRE)6/1525/123¾Conor McNamaraE McNamaraMongey Communications Maiden HurdleNon-handicap (unclassified)Hurdle2m1fGood to Yielding11-4-Valleyoftheeagles (IRE)€6,1952230/12
3 Oct 22Tipperary (IRE)6/1925/1distConor McNamaraE McNamaraJoin The Tipperary Supporter's Club (C & G) Maiden HurdleNon-handicap (unclassified)Hurdle2mGood to Yielding11-4tHercule Du Seuil (FR)€5,9001301/15
26 May 22Limerick (IRE)5/164/117Mr Derek O'ConnorE McNamaraAthea INH Flat RaceNon-handicap (unclassified)NH Flat2m½fGood12-0tHigh City Roller (IRE)€5,900-1/14
  • 6/1514 May 23 · Killarney (IRE)25/1

    Mongey Communications Maiden Hurdle

    Non-handicap (unclassified)2m1fGood to Yielding

    All fields
    Date
    14 May 23
    Pos
    6/15
    SP
    25/1
    Btn
    23¾
    Trainer
    E McNamara
    Race
    Mongey Communications Maiden Hurdle
    Class
    Non-handicap (unclassified)
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m1f
    Going
    Good to Yielding
    Wgt
    11-4
    Headgear
    -
    Winner prize
    €6,195
    Days
    223
    Future form
    0/12
  • 6/193 Oct 22 · Tipperary (IRE)25/1

    Join The Tipperary Supporter's Club (C & G) Maiden Hurdle

    Non-handicap (unclassified)2mGood to Yielding

    All fields
    Date
    3 Oct 22
    Pos
    6/19
    SP
    25/1
    Btn
    dist
    Trainer
    E McNamara
    Race
    Join The Tipperary Supporter's Club (C & G) Maiden Hurdle
    Class
    Non-handicap (unclassified)
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m
    Going
    Good to Yielding
    Wgt
    11-4
    Headgear
    t
    Winner prize
    €5,900
    Days
    130
    Future form
    1/15
  • 5/1626 May 22 · Limerick (IRE)4/1

    Athea INH Flat Race

    Non-handicap (unclassified)2m½fGood

    All fields
    Date
    26 May 22
    Pos
    5/16
    SP
    4/1
    Btn
    17
    Trainer
    E McNamara
    Race
    Athea INH Flat Race
    Class
    Non-handicap (unclassified)
    Type
    NH Flat
    Dist
    2m½f
    Going
    Good
    Wgt
    12-0
    Headgear
    t
    Winner prize
    €5,900
    Days
    -
    Future form
    1/14

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

DateCourseRaceThis horseWinner next timeTheir posWon onAtRace won
3 Oct 22Tipperary (IRE)Join The Tipperary Supporter's Club (C & G) Maiden Hurdle6/19Hercule Du Seuil (FR)113 Nov 22Navan (IRE)Gibney's For Auction Novice Hurdle
26 May 22Limerick (IRE)Athea INH Flat Race5/16Realistic Optimism (IRE)213 Jun 22Kilbeggan (IRE)Kilbeggan (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

TrainerFirst runLast runFirst run for yardRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
E McNamara26 May 2214 May 235/1630000.0%0.0%£0€405
E McNamara
Trainer
E McNamara
First run
26 May 22
Last run
14 May 23
First run for yard
5/16
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€405

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

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Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

CodeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)First runLast run
National Hunt30000.0%0.0%£0€40526 May 2214 May 23
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€405
First run
26 May 22
Last run
14 May 23

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

By race type

Race typeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Hurdle20000.0%0.0%£0€205
NH Flat10000.0%0.0%£0€200
Hurdle
Race type
Hurdle
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€205
NH Flat
Race type
NH Flat
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€200

By going

GoingRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Good10000.0%0.0%£0€200
Good to Yielding20000.0%0.0%£0€205
Good
Going
Good
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€200
Good to Yielding
Going
Good to Yielding
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€205

By distance

DistanceRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
2m to 2m1f30000.0%0.0%£0€405
2m to 2m1f
Distance
2m to 2m1f
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€405

Flat bands: 5f-6f, 7f-1m, 9f-11f, 12f-13f, 14f+. NH bands: 2m-2m1f, 2m2f-2m5f, 2m6f-3m1f, 3m2f+.

By course

CourseRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Killarney (IRE)10000.0%0.0%£0€105
Limerick (IRE)10000.0%0.0%£0€200
Tipperary (IRE)10000.0%0.0%£0€100
Killarney (IRE)
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€105
Limerick (IRE)
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€200
Tipperary (IRE)
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€100

By class

ClassRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Non-handicap (unclassified)30000.0%0.0%£0€405
Non-handicap (unclassified)
Class
Non-handicap (unclassified)
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€405

Pattern (Group/Grade/Listed) shown ahead of class. Irish races carry no class, so they are grouped as handicap or non-handicap.

By field size

RunnersRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
13 to 16 runners20000.0%0.0%£0€305
17+ runners10000.0%0.0%£0€100
13 to 16 runners
Runners
13 to 16 runners
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€305
17+ runners
Runners
17+ runners
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€100

By month

MonthRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
May20000.0%0.0%£0€305
October10000.0%0.0%£0€100
May
Month
May
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€305
October
Month
October
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€100

By jockey

JockeyRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Conor McNamara20000.0%0.0%£0€205
Mr Derek O'Connor10000.0%0.0%£0€200
Conor McNamara
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€205
Mr Derek O'Connor
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€200

By trainer

TrainerRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
E McNamara30000.0%0.0%£0€405
E McNamara
Trainer
E McNamara
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€405

By headgear

HeadgearRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
No headgear10000.0%0.0%£0€105
t20000.0%0.0%£0€300
No headgear
Headgear
No headgear
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€105
t
Headgear
t
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€300

Headgear codes as declared: b blinkers, v visor, p cheekpieces, t tongue strap, h hood, e/s eyeshield.

By days since last run

Days since last runRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Debut / no previous run10000.0%0.0%£0€200
121 to 365 days20000.0%0.0%£0€205
Debut / no previous run
Days since last run
Debut / no previous run
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€200
121 to 365 days
Days since last run
121 to 365 days
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€205

Counted from the previous run in Britain or Ireland; runs abroad are not seen.

By first-time headgear

HeadgearRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
First time in any headgear10000.0%0.0%£0€200
First time tongue strap10000.0%0.0%£0€200
Headgear, all items worn before10000.0%0.0%£0€100
No headgear10000.0%0.0%£0€105
First time in any headgear
Headgear
First time in any headgear
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€200
First time tongue strap
Headgear
First time tongue strap
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€200
Headgear, all items worn before
Headgear
Headgear, all items worn before
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€100
No headgear
Headgear
No headgear
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€105

A run can count in more than one "first time" row (e.g. first-time blinkers and first headgear of any kind). First time is judged against earlier British and Irish runs only.

Pedigree

Pedigree

Sire branchFlemensfirth (USA)

Parent · 1

  1. SireFlemensfirth (USA)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Sire's sireAlleged (USA)
  2. Sire's damEtheldreda (USA)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Sire's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's sire's damNot traced
  3. Sire's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchGlorious Feeling (IRE)

Parent · 1

  1. DamGlorious Feeling (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Dam's sireOld Vic (GB)
  2. Dam's damSupreme Touch (IRE)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Dam's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Dam's sire's damNot traced
  3. Dam's dam's sireSupreme Leader (GB)
  4. Dam's dam's damNot traced
Flemensfirth (USA)
Glorious Feeling (IRE)
Alleged (USA)
Etheldreda (USA)
Old Vic (GB)
Supreme Touch (IRE)
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Supreme Leader (GB)
Not traced

Breeding card

HorseWe Had It All Said (IRE)
Sexgelding
Foaled2017
SireFlemensfirth (USA)
DamGlorious Feeling (IRE)
DamsireOld Vic (GB)
Sire's sireAlleged (USA)
Sire's damEtheldreda (USA)
2nd damSupreme Touch (IRE)
2nd dam's sireSupreme Leader (GB)
Dam's produce0 winners from 4 runners
Notable siblingShe's Made It (IRE)

Female line

  1. Glorious Feeling (IRE) · by Old Vic (GB) · 0 winners from 4 runners
  2. Supreme Touch (IRE) · by Supreme Leader (GB) · 2 winners from 7 runners · Black-type placed
  3. Mortlestown (GB) · 1 winners from 2 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

SireDamDamsireBreederFoaledColourSexSire's avg winning distanceDamsire's avg winning distance
Flemensfirth (USA)Glorious Feeling (IRE)Old Vic (GB)Mrs Noreen McManus15 Mar 17baygeldingFlat 15.8f · NH 2m4fFlat 11.3f · NH 2m4f
Flemensfirth (USA)
Breeder
Mrs Noreen McManus
Foaled
15 Mar 17
Colour
bay
Sex
gelding
Sire's avg winning distance
Flat 15.8f · NH 2m4f
Damsire's avg winning distance
Flat 11.3f · NH 2m4f

Progeny of Flemensfirth (USA) in this horse's best conditions

ConditionRunsWinsPlacedWin %Place %This horse runsThis horse wins
All National Hunt runs18,7742,1945,52711.7%29.4%30
At 2m to 2m1f5,7007071,78612.4%31.3%30
On Good going4,9595361,33010.8%26.8%30
At 2m to 2m1f on Good going1,44216742311.6%29.3%30
All National Hunt runs
Condition
All National Hunt runs
Runs
18,774
Wins
2,194
Placed
5,527
Win %
11.7%
Place %
29.4%
This horse runs
3
This horse wins
0
At 2m to 2m1f
Condition
At 2m to 2m1f
Runs
5,700
Wins
707
Placed
1,786
Win %
12.4%
Place %
31.3%
This horse runs
3
This horse wins
0
On Good going
Condition
On Good going
Runs
4,959
Wins
536
Placed
1,330
Win %
10.8%
Place %
26.8%
This horse runs
3
This horse wins
0
At 2m to 2m1f on Good going
Condition
At 2m to 2m1f on Good going
Runs
1,442
Wins
167
Placed
423
Win %
11.6%
Place %
29.3%
This horse runs
3
This horse wins
0

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Flemensfirth (USA) × Old Vic (GB) mares (the cross)

CodeRunnersWinnersWinners %Black-type winnersRunsWins2nd/3rdWin %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
National Hunt412458.5%45658815915.6%£908,677€1,098,780
Flat200.0%05000.0%£1,076€0
All runs412458.5%45708815915.4%£909,753€1,098,780
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Runners
41
Winners
24
Winners %
58.5%
Black-type winners
4
Runs
565
Wins
88
2nd/3rd
159
Win %
15.6%
Prize GB (£)
£908,677
Prize IRE (€)
€1,098,780
Flat
Code
Flat
Runners
2
Winners
0
Winners %
0.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
5
Wins
0
2nd/3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£1,076
Prize IRE (€)
€0
All runs
Code
All runs
Runners
41
Winners
24
Winners %
58.5%
Black-type winners
4
Runs
570
Wins
88
2nd/3rd
159
Win %
15.4%
Prize GB (£)
£909,753
Prize IRE (€)
€1,098,780

All British and Irish runners by this sire out of mares by this damsire, since 1990 (includes this horse). Black type = Group/Grade 1-3 or Listed winner.

Best of the cross

HorseRunsWinsBlack-type winsBest winPrize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Ballyburn (IRE)1584Group/Grade 1£167,913€345,825
Minella Cocooner (IRE)1951Group/Grade 1£145,302€193,865
Queenohearts (IRE)1053Group/Grade 2£67,688€0
Shrapnel (IRE)3651Group/Grade 3£688€66,920
West To The Bridge (IRE)65110-£134,071€0
Zhiguli (IRE)2650-£55,959€0
Stand Up And Fight (IRE)2650-£1,277€60,853
Noble Endeavor (IRE)2850-£20,775€168,375
Minella Daddy (IRE)2950-£113,204€0
Planet Nine (IRE)1440-£26,065€6,160
Fortysecond Street (IRE)1640-£29,928€0
Captain Quint (IRE)1940-£38,278€0
Ballyburn (IRE)
Runs
15
Wins
8
Black-type wins
4
Best win
Group/Grade 1
Prize GB (£)
£167,913
Prize IRE (€)
€345,825
Minella Cocooner (IRE)
Runs
19
Wins
5
Black-type wins
1
Best win
Group/Grade 1
Prize GB (£)
£145,302
Prize IRE (€)
€193,865
Queenohearts (IRE)
Runs
10
Wins
5
Black-type wins
3
Best win
Group/Grade 2
Prize GB (£)
£67,688
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Shrapnel (IRE)
Runs
36
Wins
5
Black-type wins
1
Best win
Group/Grade 3
Prize GB (£)
£688
Prize IRE (€)
€66,920
West To The Bridge (IRE)
Runs
65
Wins
11
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£134,071
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Zhiguli (IRE)
Runs
26
Wins
5
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£55,959
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Stand Up And Fight (IRE)
Runs
26
Wins
5
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£1,277
Prize IRE (€)
€60,853
Noble Endeavor (IRE)
Runs
28
Wins
5
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£20,775
Prize IRE (€)
€168,375
Minella Daddy (IRE)
Runs
29
Wins
5
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£113,204
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Planet Nine (IRE)
Runs
14
Wins
4
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£26,065
Prize IRE (€)
€6,160
Fortysecond Street (IRE)
Runs
16
Wins
4
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£29,928
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Captain Quint (IRE)
Runs
19
Wins
4
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£38,278
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Family

Dam summary

Glorious Feeling (IRE)

G1 winners
0
Produce
0 winners from 4 runners

Full siblings

Half siblings

By Getaway (GER)

By Maxios (GB)

Female line

  1. 1Glorious Feeling (IRE) · by Old Vic (GB)
  2. 2Supreme Touch (IRE) · by Supreme Leader (GB)
  3. 3Mortlestown (GB)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

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In brief

When was We Had It All Said foaled?

We Had It All Said (IRE), a bay racehorse, was foaled on 15 March 2017.

Who are the sire and dam of We Had It All Said?

We Had It All Said (IRE) is by Flemensfirth (USA) out of Glorious Feeling (IRE), a daughter of Old Vic (GB), and was bred by Mrs Noreen McManus.

Who trained We Had It All Said?

We Had It All Said (IRE) was trained by E McNamara and owned by John P McManus at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is We Had It All Said's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, We Had It All Said (IRE) ran 3 times without winning.

Is We Had It All Said still racing?

We Had It All Said (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 14 May 2023 at Killarney (IRE) in the Mongey Communications Maiden Hurdle, finishing 6th of 15, and has not run there since.

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