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Horse profile
Shouldbeanothering
- TrainerAlice Haynes
- OwnerMiddleham Park Racing (Middleham Park Racing, G Morrin & Partner)
- FamilyLlyn Gwynant
- Sex
- colt
- Foaled
- 2023
- Colour
- bay
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 0 wins from 1 run (0%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- £1,749 GB
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 28 Jul 2025, Ayr (2/4)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- Never won
Shouldbeanothering has no declared runs or entries in Britain or Ireland at the moment.
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Btn | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | Headgear | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 28 Jul 25 | Ayr | 2/4 | 4/1 | 3 | Rowan Scott | Alice Haynes | Stella EBF Maiden Stakes | Class 5 | Flat Turf | 5½f | Good | 9-7 | t | Mighty Magnus (IRE) | £3,725 | 0/3 |
Stella EBF Maiden Stakes
Class 55½fGood
All fields
- Date
- 28 Jul 25
- Course
- Ayr
- Pos
- 2/4
- SP
- 4/1
- Btn
- 3
- Jockey
- Rowan Scott
- Trainer
- Alice Haynes
- Race
- Stella EBF Maiden Stakes
- Class
- Class 5
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 5½f
- Going
- Good
- Wgt
- 9-7
- Headgear
- t
- Winner / 2nd
- Mighty Magnus (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £3,725
- Future form
- 0/3
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Trainer changes
| Trainer | First run | Last run | First run for yard | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alice Haynes | 28 Jul 25 | 28 Jul 25 | 2/4 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,749 | €0 |
Alice Haynes
- Trainer
- Alice Haynes
- First run
- 28 Jul 25
- Last run
- 28 Jul 25
- First run for yard
- 2/4
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,749
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,749 | €0 | 28 Jul 25 | 28 Jul 25 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,749
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
- First run
- 28 Jul 25
- Last run
- 28 Jul 25
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchHavana Grey (GB)
Parent · 1
- SireHavana Grey (GB)
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireHavana Gold (IRE)
- Sire's damBlanc De Chine (IRE)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchSmoke Without Fire (GB)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sireLethal Force (IRE)
- Dam's damKelowna (IRE)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sirePivotal (GB)
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
Breeding card
Female line
- Smoke Without Fire (GB) · by Lethal Force (IRE) · 0 winners from 1 runners
- Kelowna (IRE) · by Pivotal (GB) · 5 winners from 6 runners
- Kootenay (IRE) · by Selkirk (USA) · 2 winners from 8 runners · Listed winner (2 black-type wins)
- Llia (GB) · by Shirley Heights (GB) · 7 winners from 9 runners · Black-type placed
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Breeder | Foaled | Colour | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Havana Grey (GB) | Smoke Without Fire (GB) | Lethal Force (IRE) | Village Bloodstock Limited | 22 Mar 23 | bay | colt | Flat 6.1f | Flat 6.0f · NH 1m |
Havana Grey (GB)
- Sire
- Havana Grey (GB)
- Damsire
- Lethal Force (IRE)
- Breeder
- Village Bloodstock Limited
- Foaled
- 22 Mar 23
- Colour
- bay
- Sex
- colt
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 6.1f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- Flat 6.0f · NH 1m
Progeny of Havana Grey (GB) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All Flat runs | 4,349 | 588 | 1,477 | 1 | 0 | ||
| At 5f to 6f | 2,996 | 444 | 1,043 | 1 | 0 | ||
| On Good going | 1,099 | 150 | 363 | 1 | 0 | ||
| At 5f to 6f on Good going | 771 | 104 | 248 | 1 | 0 |
All Flat runs
- Condition
- All Flat runs
- Runs
- 4,349
- Wins
- 588
- Placed
- 1,477
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
At 5f to 6f
- Condition
- At 5f to 6f
- Runs
- 2,996
- Wins
- 444
- Placed
- 1,043
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
On Good going
- Condition
- On Good going
- Runs
- 1,099
- Wins
- 150
- Placed
- 363
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
At 5f to 6f on Good going
- Condition
- At 5f to 6f on Good going
- Runs
- 771
- Wins
- 104
- Placed
- 248
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Havana Grey (GB) × Lethal Force (IRE) mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 2 | 1 | 0 | 15 | 4 | 6 | £106,062 | €0 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runners
- 2
- Winners
- 1
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 0
- Runs
- 15
- Wins
- 4
- 2nd/3rd
- 6
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £106,062
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Addison Grey (GB) | 14 | 4 | 0 | £104,313 | €0 |
| Shouldbeanothering (IRE) | 1 | 0 | 0 | £1,749 | €0 |
Addison Grey (GB)
- Horse
- Addison Grey (GB)
- Runs
- 14
- Wins
- 4
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £104,313
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Shouldbeanothering (IRE)
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,749
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 0
- Produce
- 0 winners from 1 runners
Full siblings
Shouldbeanothering is the only foal out of Smoke Without Fire (GB) to have raced in Britain or Ireland.
Half siblings
Shouldbeanothering is the only foal out of Smoke Without Fire (GB) to have raced in Britain or Ireland.
Female line
- 1Smoke Without Fire (GB) · by Lethal Force (IRE)
- 2Kelowna (IRE) · by Pivotal (GB)
- 3Kootenay (IRE) · by Selkirk (USA)
- 4Llia (GB) · by Shirley Heights (GB)
Notable relatives
Great-great-uncle (out of 4th dam)
- Sans Frontieres (IRE)4W · 9R · 1 G1
- Hans Holbein (GB)2W · 5R · 1 black-type
3rd dam
- Kootenay (IRE)3W · 8R · 2 black-type
In brief
How old is Shouldbeanothering?
Shouldbeanothering (IRE), a bay racehorse, was foaled on 22 March 2023 and is 3 years old.
Who are the sire and dam of Shouldbeanothering?
Shouldbeanothering (IRE) is by Havana Grey (GB) out of Smoke Without Fire (GB), a daughter of Lethal Force (IRE), and was bred by Village Bloodstock Limited.
Who trained Shouldbeanothering?
Shouldbeanothering (IRE) was trained by Alice Haynes and owned by Middleham Park Racing, G Morrin & Partner at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.
What is Shouldbeanothering's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, Shouldbeanothering (IRE) ran 1 time without winning.
Is Shouldbeanothering still racing?
Shouldbeanothering (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 28 July 2025 at Ayr in the Stella EBF Maiden Stakes, finishing 2nd of 4, and has not run there since.
Is Shouldbeanothering related to any top horses?
Shouldbeanothering (IRE)'s black-type relatives in Britain and Ireland include Sans Frontieres (IRE) (great-great-uncle, Group 1 winner), Hans Holbein (GB) (great-great-uncle, Group 3 winner) and Kootenay (IRE) (3rd dam, Listed winner), from the Llyn Gwynant (GB) family.
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