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Horse profile
Won't Talk
- TrainerCharlie Mann
- OwnerThe Steeple Chasers
- FamilyDeep Kitty
- Sex
- gelding
- Foaled
- 2014
- Colour
- bay
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 0 wins from 3 runs (0%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- £1,383 GB
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 28 Feb 2021, Fontwell (4/12)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- Never won
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Btn | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | Headgear | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Days | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 28 Feb 21 | Fontwell | 4/12 | 22/1 | 18½ | Harry Bannister | Charlie Mann | Champagne Piaff Novices' Hurdle | Class 4 | Hurdle | 2m3f | Good to Soft | 11-3 | h | Fantastikas (FR) | £3,769 | 68 | 1/9 |
| 22 Dec 20 | Sedgefield | 2/5 | 11/1 | 7½ | Harry Bannister | Charlie Mann | Call Star Sports On 08000 521 321 Novices' Hurdle | Class 4 | Hurdle | 2m4f | Soft | 10-12 | h | Alaphilippe (IRE) | £3,769 | 69 | 0/3 |
| 14 Oct 20 | Wetherby | 5/10 | 40/1 | 25 | Harry Bannister | Charlie Mann | Follow @racingtv On Twitter Novices' Hurdle (Div I) | Class 4 | Hurdle | 2m3½f | Good to Soft | 10-12 | h | Ask A Honey Bee (IRE) | £3,899 | - | 1/9 |
Champagne Piaff Novices' Hurdle
Class 42m3fGood to Soft
All fields
- Date
- 28 Feb 21
- Course
- Fontwell
- Pos
- 4/12
- SP
- 22/1
- Btn
- 18½
- Jockey
- Harry Bannister
- Trainer
- Charlie Mann
- Race
- Champagne Piaff Novices' Hurdle
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 2m3f
- Going
- Good to Soft
- Wgt
- 11-3
- Headgear
- h
- Winner / 2nd
- Fantastikas (FR)
- Winner prize
- £3,769
- Days
- 68
- Future form
- 1/9
Call Star Sports On 08000 521 321 Novices' Hurdle
Class 42m4fSoft
All fields
- Date
- 22 Dec 20
- Course
- Sedgefield
- Pos
- 2/5
- SP
- 11/1
- Btn
- 7½
- Jockey
- Harry Bannister
- Trainer
- Charlie Mann
- Race
- Call Star Sports On 08000 521 321 Novices' Hurdle
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 2m4f
- Going
- Soft
- Wgt
- 10-12
- Headgear
- h
- Winner / 2nd
- Alaphilippe (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £3,769
- Days
- 69
- Future form
- 0/3
Follow @racingtv On Twitter Novices' Hurdle (Div I)
Class 42m3½fGood to Soft
All fields
- Date
- 14 Oct 20
- Course
- Wetherby
- Pos
- 5/10
- SP
- 40/1
- Btn
- 25
- Jockey
- Harry Bannister
- Trainer
- Charlie Mann
- Race
- Follow @racingtv On Twitter Novices' Hurdle (Div I)
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 2m3½f
- Going
- Good to Soft
- Wgt
- 10-12
- Headgear
- h
- Winner / 2nd
- Ask A Honey Bee (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £3,899
- Days
- -
- Future form
- 1/9
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races
| Date | Course | Race | This horse | Winner next time | Their pos | Won on | At | Race won |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 28 Feb 21 | Fontwell | Champagne Piaff Novices' Hurdle | 4/12 | Brewers Project (IRE) | 3 | 5 Apr 21 | Chepstow | Ian And June Squires "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle |
| 14 Oct 20 | Wetherby | Follow @racingtv On Twitter Novices' Hurdle (Div I) | 5/10 | Ashtown Lad (IRE) | 2 | 31 Oct 20 | Wetherby | bet365 Novices' Hurdle |
- 4/1228 Feb 21 · Fontwell
Champagne Piaff Novices' Hurdle
All fields
- Date
- 28 Feb 21
- Course
- Fontwell
- Race
- Champagne Piaff Novices' Hurdle
- This horse
- 4/12
- Winner next time
- Brewers Project (IRE)
- Their pos
- 3
- Won on
- 5 Apr 21
- At
- Chepstow
- Race won
- Ian And June Squires "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
- 5/1014 Oct 20 · Wetherby
Follow @racingtv On Twitter Novices' Hurdle (Div I)
All fields
- Date
- 14 Oct 20
- Course
- Wetherby
- Race
- Follow @racingtv On Twitter Novices' Hurdle (Div I)
- This horse
- 5/10
- Winner next time
- Ashtown Lad (IRE)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 31 Oct 20
- At
- Wetherby
- Race won
- bet365 Novices' Hurdle
Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).
Trainer changes
| Trainer | First run | Last run | First run for yard | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Charlie Mann | 14 Oct 20 | 28 Feb 21 | 5/10 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
Charlie Mann
- Trainer
- Charlie Mann
- First run
- 14 Oct 20
- Last run
- 28 Feb 21
- First run for yard
- 5/10
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 | 14 Oct 20 | 28 Feb 21 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
- First run
- 14 Oct 20
- Last run
- 28 Feb 21
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
By race type
| Race type | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hurdle | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
Hurdle
- Race type
- Hurdle
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By going
| Going | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good to Soft | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £277 | €0 | ||
| Soft | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,107 | €0 |
Good to Soft
- Going
- Good to Soft
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £277
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Soft
- Going
- Soft
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,107
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By distance
| Distance | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2m2f to 2m5f | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
2m2f to 2m5f
- Distance
- 2m2f to 2m5f
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Flat bands: 5f-6f, 7f-1m, 9f-11f, 12f-13f, 14f+. NH bands: 2m-2m1f, 2m2f-2m5f, 2m6f-3m1f, 3m2f+.
By course
| Course | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Fontwell | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £277 | €0 | ||
| Sedgefield | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,107 | €0 | ||
| Wetherby | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
Fontwell
- Course
- Fontwell
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £277
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Sedgefield
- Course
- Sedgefield
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,107
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Wetherby
- Course
- Wetherby
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By class
| Class | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 4 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
Class 4
- Class
- Class 4
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Pattern (Group/Grade/Listed) shown ahead of class. Irish races carry no class, so they are grouped as handicap or non-handicap.
By field size
| Runners | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 to 5 runners | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,107 | €0 | ||
| 9 to 12 runners | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £277 | €0 |
2 to 5 runners
- Runners
- 2 to 5 runners
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,107
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
9 to 12 runners
- Runners
- 9 to 12 runners
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £277
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By month
| Month | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| February | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £277 | €0 | ||
| October | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| December | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,107 | €0 |
February
- Month
- February
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £277
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
October
- Month
- October
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
December
- Month
- December
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,107
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By jockey
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Harry Bannister | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
Harry Bannister
- Jockey
- Harry Bannister
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By trainer
| Trainer | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Charlie Mann | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
Charlie Mann
- Trainer
- Charlie Mann
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By headgear
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| h | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
h
- Headgear
- h
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Headgear codes as declared: b blinkers, v visor, p cheekpieces, t tongue strap, h hood, e/s eyeshield.
By days since last run
| Days since last run | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Debut / no previous run | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| 61 to 120 days | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
Debut / no previous run
- Days since last run
- Debut / no previous run
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
61 to 120 days
- Days since last run
- 61 to 120 days
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Counted from the previous run in Britain or Ireland; runs abroad are not seen.
By first-time headgear
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| First time in any headgear | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| First time hood | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| Headgear, all items worn before | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
First time in any headgear
- Headgear
- First time in any headgear
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
First time hood
- Headgear
- First time hood
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Headgear, all items worn before
- Headgear
- Headgear, all items worn before
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
A run can count in more than one "first time" row (e.g. first-time blinkers and first headgear of any kind). First time is judged against earlier British and Irish runs only.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchScorpion (IRE)
Parent · 1
- SireScorpion (IRE)
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireMontjeu (IRE)
- Sire's damArdmelody (GB)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchTalk To The Missus (IRE)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sireExecutive Perk (GB)
- Dam's damDeep Kitty (IRE)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sireNot traced
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
Breeding card
Female line
- Talk To The Missus (IRE) · by Executive Perk (GB) · 2 winners from 7 runners
- Deep Kitty (IRE) · 3 winners from 8 runners
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Breeder | Foaled | Colour | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Scorpion (IRE) | Talk To The Missus (IRE) | Executive Perk (GB) | Charlie Harnett | 20 May 14 | bay | gelding | Flat 13.1f · NH 2m4f | Flat 8.5f · NH 2m4f |
Scorpion (IRE)
- Sire
- Scorpion (IRE)
- Damsire
- Executive Perk (GB)
- Breeder
- Charlie Harnett
- Foaled
- 20 May 14
- Colour
- bay
- Sex
- gelding
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 13.1f · NH 2m4f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- Flat 8.5f · NH 2m4f
Progeny of Scorpion (IRE) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All National Hunt runs | 6,208 | 564 | 1,460 | 3 | 0 | ||
| At 2m2f to 2m5f | 2,318 | 214 | 551 | 3 | 0 | ||
| On Soft going | 1,517 | 116 | 340 | 1 | 0 | ||
| At 2m2f to 2m5f on Soft going | 538 | 44 | 122 | 1 | 0 |
All National Hunt runs
- Condition
- All National Hunt runs
- Runs
- 6,208
- Wins
- 564
- Placed
- 1,460
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 3
- This horse wins
- 0
At 2m2f to 2m5f
- Condition
- At 2m2f to 2m5f
- Runs
- 2,318
- Wins
- 214
- Placed
- 551
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 3
- This horse wins
- 0
On Soft going
- Condition
- On Soft going
- Runs
- 1,517
- Wins
- 116
- Placed
- 340
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
At 2m2f to 2m5f on Soft going
- Condition
- At 2m2f to 2m5f on Soft going
- Runs
- 538
- Wins
- 44
- Placed
- 122
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Scorpion (IRE) × Executive Perk (GB) mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 5 | 1 | 0 | 43 | 2 | 11 | £32,714 | €0 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Runners
- 5
- Winners
- 1
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 0
- Runs
- 43
- Wins
- 2
- 2nd/3rd
- 11
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £32,714
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
All British and Irish runners by this sire out of mares by this damsire, since 1990 (includes this horse). Black type = Group/Grade 1-3 or Listed winner.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Longshanks (IRE) | 23 | 2 | 0 | £27,566 | €0 |
| Largy Perk (IRE) | 3 | 0 | 0 | £382 | €0 |
| Won't Talk (IRE) | 3 | 0 | 0 | £1,383 | €0 |
| Deise Bless (IRE) | 5 | 0 | 0 | £751 | €0 |
| Stung For Cash (IRE) | 9 | 0 | 0 | £2,632 | €0 |
Longshanks (IRE)
- Horse
- Longshanks (IRE)
- Runs
- 23
- Wins
- 2
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £27,566
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Largy Perk (IRE)
- Horse
- Largy Perk (IRE)
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £382
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Won't Talk (IRE)
- Horse
- Won't Talk (IRE)
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,383
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Deise Bless (IRE)
- Horse
- Deise Bless (IRE)
- Runs
- 5
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £751
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Stung For Cash (IRE)
- Horse
- Stung For Cash (IRE)
- Runs
- 9
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £2,632
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 0
- Produce
- 2 winners from 7 runners
Full siblings
No other foal by Scorpion (IRE) out of Talk To The Missus (IRE) has raced in Britain or Ireland.
Half siblings
By Anshan (GB)
- He's Up The Road (IRE)0W · 10R
By Presenting (GB)
- Meridian City (IRE)3W · 9R
- Ask Herself (IRE)0W · 1R
- Nonie Owen (IRE)0W · 2R
By Fame And Glory (GB)
- Donttelldoris (IRE)0W · 1R
By Leading Light (IRE)
- Buzz Light (IRE)1W · 18R
Female line
- 1Talk To The Missus (IRE) · by Executive Perk (GB)
- 2Deep Kitty (IRE)
Notable relatives
No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.
In brief
When was Won't Talk foaled?
Won't Talk (IRE), a bay racehorse, was foaled on 20 May 2014.
Who are the sire and dam of Won't Talk?
Won't Talk (IRE) is by Scorpion (IRE) out of Talk To The Missus (IRE), a daughter of Executive Perk (GB), and was bred by Charlie Harnett.
Who trained Won't Talk?
Won't Talk (IRE) was trained by Charlie Mann and owned by The Steeple Chasers at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.
What is Won't Talk's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, Won't Talk (IRE) ran 3 times without winning.
Is Won't Talk still racing?
Won't Talk (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 28 February 2021 at Fontwell in the Champagne Piaff Novices' Hurdle, finishing 4th of 12, and has not run there since.
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