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Horse profile
Withorwithoutyou
- TrainerB A McMahon
- OwnerJ C Fretwell
- FamilyMorningsurprice
- Sex
- filly
- Foaled
- 2001
- Highest OR
- 90
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 1 win from 12 runs (8%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- £10,221 GB
- Last official rating
- 82 (Flat)
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 6 Jul 2004, Newmarket (July) (8/9)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- 20 Sep 2003, Warwick
Recent form
22917546514108
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Btn | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | OR | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Days | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6 Jul 04 | Newmarket (July) | 8/9 | 40/1 | 8¼ | Jamie Mackay | B A McMahon | racingpost.co.uk Fillies' Rated Stakes (Handicap) | Class 2 | Flat Turf | 7f | Good to Firm | 8-0 | 82 | Peeress (GB) | £12,081 | 17 | 1/8 |
| 19 Jun 04 | Warwick | 10/11 | 66/1 | 11¾ | Graham Gibbons | B A McMahon | Eternal Stakes (Fillies) | Listed | Flat Turf | 7f | Good to Firm | 8-11 | 80 | Lucky Spin (GB) | £17,400 | 53 | 1/7 |
| 27 Apr 04 | Bath | 14/14 | 40/1 | 16¼ | Willie Supple | B A McMahon | European Breeders Fund Lansdown Fillies' Stakes | Listed | Flat Turf | 5f | Good | 8-4 | 85 | Ringmoor Down (GB) | £17,400 | 12 | 0/13 |
| 15 Apr 04 | Ripon | 5/5 | 11/1 | 6½ | Willie Supple | B A McMahon | Ripon Silver Bowl Fillies' Stakes | Listed | Flat Turf | 6f | Good | 8-11 | 87 | Bonne De Fleur (GB) | £17,850 | 15 | 0/4 |
| 31 Mar 04 | Nottingham | 6/7 | 10/1 | 5¼ | Jamie Mackay | B A McMahon | April Conditions Stakes Class D | Class 4 | Flat Turf | 5f | Good | 7-12 | 90 | Bahamian Pirate (USA) | £5,379 | 152 | 1/6 |
| 31 Oct 03 | Newmarket | 4/7 | 7/1 | 4¾ | Philip Robinson | B A McMahon | EBF Bosra Sham Fillies' Stakes | Listed | Flat Turf | 6f | Good | 8-8 | 90 | Dowager (GB) | £14,500 | 13 | 0/6 |
| 18 Oct 03 | Newmarket | 5/10 | 33/1 | 5¾ | Willie Supple | B A McMahon | Owen Brown Rockfel Stakes | Group 2 | Flat Turf | 7f | Good to Firm | 8-9 | 80 | Cairns (UAE) | £34,800 | 14 | 1/7 |
| 4 Oct 03 | Newmarket | 7/9 | 50/1 | 6¾ | Franny Norton | B A McMahon | Finnforest Oh So Sharp Stakes (Fillies) | Listed | Flat Turf | 7f | Good to Firm | 8-9 | 75 | Top Romance (IRE) | £12,760 | 14 | 1/8 |
| 20 Sep 03 | Warwick | 1/9 | 4/1 | won nk | Franny Norton | B A McMahon | Stan James Nursery Class D | Class 4 | Flat Turf | 7f | Good to Firm | 8-10 | 73 | Sinora Wood (IRE) | £3,718 | 12 | 0/7 |
| 8 Sep 03 | Warwick | 9/15 | 10/1 | 11¼ | Philip Robinson | B A McMahon | European Breeders Fund Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D | Class 4 | Flat Turf | 7f | Good to Firm | 8-11 | - | Spotlight (GB) | £3,591 | 17 | 0/14 |
| 22 Aug 03 | Bath | 2/5 | 5/6F | 2½ | T Quinn | B A McMahon | Cantor Sport Spread Betting EBF Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D | Class 4 | Flat Turf | 5f | Firm | 8-11 | - | Red Trance (IRE) | £4,352 | 8 | 0/4 |
| 14 Aug 03 | Beverley | 2/10 | 7/1 | 1 | George Duffield | B A McMahon | EBF Big Screen Is Here Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D | Class 4 | Flat Turf | 5f | Good to Firm | 8-11 | - | Varnay (GB) | £5,408 | - | 1/9 |
- 8/96 Jul 04 · Newmarket (July)40/1
racingpost.co.uk Fillies' Rated Stakes (Handicap)
Class 27fGood to Firm
All fields
- Date
- 6 Jul 04
- Course
- Newmarket (July)
- Pos
- 8/9
- SP
- 40/1
- Btn
- 8¼
- Jockey
- Jamie Mackay
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- racingpost.co.uk Fillies' Rated Stakes (Handicap)
- Class
- Class 2
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 7f
- Going
- Good to Firm
- Wgt
- 8-0
- OR
- 82
- Winner / 2nd
- Peeress (GB)
- Winner prize
- £12,081
- Days
- 17
- Future form
- 1/8
Eternal Stakes (Fillies)
Listed7fGood to Firm
All fields
- Date
- 19 Jun 04
- Course
- Warwick
- Pos
- 10/11
- SP
- 66/1
- Btn
- 11¾
- Jockey
- Graham Gibbons
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- Eternal Stakes (Fillies)
- Class
- Listed
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 7f
- Going
- Good to Firm
- Wgt
- 8-11
- OR
- 80
- Winner / 2nd
- Lucky Spin (GB)
- Winner prize
- £17,400
- Days
- 53
- Future form
- 1/7
European Breeders Fund Lansdown Fillies' Stakes
Listed5fGood
All fields
- Date
- 27 Apr 04
- Course
- Bath
- Pos
- 14/14
- SP
- 40/1
- Btn
- 16¼
- Jockey
- Willie Supple
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- European Breeders Fund Lansdown Fillies' Stakes
- Class
- Listed
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 5f
- Going
- Good
- Wgt
- 8-4
- OR
- 85
- Winner / 2nd
- Ringmoor Down (GB)
- Winner prize
- £17,400
- Days
- 12
- Future form
- 0/13
Ripon Silver Bowl Fillies' Stakes
Listed6fGood
All fields
- Date
- 15 Apr 04
- Course
- Ripon
- Pos
- 5/5
- SP
- 11/1
- Btn
- 6½
- Jockey
- Willie Supple
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- Ripon Silver Bowl Fillies' Stakes
- Class
- Listed
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 6f
- Going
- Good
- Wgt
- 8-11
- OR
- 87
- Winner / 2nd
- Bonne De Fleur (GB)
- Winner prize
- £17,850
- Days
- 15
- Future form
- 0/4
April Conditions Stakes Class D
Class 45fGood
All fields
- Date
- 31 Mar 04
- Course
- Nottingham
- Pos
- 6/7
- SP
- 10/1
- Btn
- 5¼
- Jockey
- Jamie Mackay
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- April Conditions Stakes Class D
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 5f
- Going
- Good
- Wgt
- 7-12
- OR
- 90
- Winner / 2nd
- Bahamian Pirate (USA)
- Winner prize
- £5,379
- Days
- 152
- Future form
- 1/6
- 4/731 Oct 03 · Newmarket7/1
EBF Bosra Sham Fillies' Stakes
Listed6fGood
All fields
- Date
- 31 Oct 03
- Course
- Newmarket
- Pos
- 4/7
- SP
- 7/1
- Btn
- 4¾
- Jockey
- Philip Robinson
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- EBF Bosra Sham Fillies' Stakes
- Class
- Listed
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 6f
- Going
- Good
- Wgt
- 8-8
- OR
- 90
- Winner / 2nd
- Dowager (GB)
- Winner prize
- £14,500
- Days
- 13
- Future form
- 0/6
- 5/1018 Oct 03 · Newmarket33/1
Owen Brown Rockfel Stakes
Group 27fGood to Firm
All fields
- Date
- 18 Oct 03
- Course
- Newmarket
- Pos
- 5/10
- SP
- 33/1
- Btn
- 5¾
- Jockey
- Willie Supple
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- Owen Brown Rockfel Stakes
- Class
- Group 2
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 7f
- Going
- Good to Firm
- Wgt
- 8-9
- OR
- 80
- Winner / 2nd
- Cairns (UAE)
- Winner prize
- £34,800
- Days
- 14
- Future form
- 1/7
- 7/94 Oct 03 · Newmarket50/1
Finnforest Oh So Sharp Stakes (Fillies)
Listed7fGood to Firm
All fields
- Date
- 4 Oct 03
- Course
- Newmarket
- Pos
- 7/9
- SP
- 50/1
- Btn
- 6¾
- Jockey
- Franny Norton
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- Finnforest Oh So Sharp Stakes (Fillies)
- Class
- Listed
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 7f
- Going
- Good to Firm
- Wgt
- 8-9
- OR
- 75
- Winner / 2nd
- Top Romance (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £12,760
- Days
- 14
- Future form
- 1/8
Stan James Nursery Class D
Class 47fGood to Firm
All fields
- Date
- 20 Sep 03
- Course
- Warwick
- Pos
- 1/9
- SP
- 4/1
- Btn
- won nk
- Jockey
- Franny Norton
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- Stan James Nursery Class D
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 7f
- Going
- Good to Firm
- Wgt
- 8-10
- OR
- 73
- Winner / 2nd
- Sinora Wood (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £3,718
- Days
- 12
- Future form
- 0/7
European Breeders Fund Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
Class 47fGood to Firm
All fields
- Date
- 8 Sep 03
- Course
- Warwick
- Pos
- 9/15
- SP
- 10/1
- Btn
- 11¼
- Jockey
- Philip Robinson
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- European Breeders Fund Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 7f
- Going
- Good to Firm
- Wgt
- 8-11
- OR
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Spotlight (GB)
- Winner prize
- £3,591
- Days
- 17
- Future form
- 0/14
Cantor Sport Spread Betting EBF Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
Class 45fFirm
All fields
- Date
- 22 Aug 03
- Course
- Bath
- Pos
- 2/5
- SP
- 5/6F
- Btn
- 2½
- Jockey
- T Quinn
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- Cantor Sport Spread Betting EBF Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 5f
- Going
- Firm
- Wgt
- 8-11
- OR
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Red Trance (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £4,352
- Days
- 8
- Future form
- 0/4
EBF Big Screen Is Here Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
Class 45fGood to Firm
All fields
- Date
- 14 Aug 03
- Course
- Beverley
- Pos
- 2/10
- SP
- 7/1
- Btn
- 1
- Jockey
- George Duffield
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Race
- EBF Big Screen Is Here Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 5f
- Going
- Good to Firm
- Wgt
- 8-11
- OR
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Varnay (GB)
- Winner prize
- £5,408
- Days
- -
- Future form
- 1/9
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races
| Date | Course | Race | This horse | Winner next time | Their pos | Won on | At | Race won |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6 Jul 04 | Newmarket (July) | racingpost.co.uk Fillies' Rated Stakes (Handicap) | 8/9 | Dawn Surprise (USA) | 5 | 4 Aug 04 | Kempton | Byrne Group Classified Stakes Class C |
| 19 Jun 04 | Warwick | Eternal Stakes (Listed Race) (Fillies) | 10/11 | Lucky Pipit (GB) | 2 | 22 Jul 04 | Yarmouth | European Breeders Fund Carlsberg Tetley Fillies' Conditions Stakes Class C |
| 31 Mar 04 | Nottingham | April Conditions Stakes Class D | 6/7 | Proud Boast (GB) | 7 | 14 Apr 04 | Beverley | Flying Five Classified Stakes Class C |
| 18 Oct 03 | Newmarket | Owen Brown Rockfel Stakes (Group 2) | 5/10 | Perle D'Or (IRE) | 10 | 18 May 04 | Redcar | Captain Cook Rating Related Maiden Stakes Class E |
| 4 Oct 03 | Newmarket | Finnforest Oh So Sharp Stakes (Listed Race) (Fillies) | 7/9 | Spotlight (GB) | 2 | 1 Nov 03 | Newmarket | EBF Montrose Fillies' Stakes (Listed Race) |
| 14 Aug 03 | Beverley | EBF Big Screen Is Here Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D | 2/10 | Fabuco (IRE) | 7 | 17 Aug 03 | Bath | Rising Sun Maiden Auction Stakes Class E |
- 8/96 Jul 04 · Newmarket (July)
racingpost.co.uk Fillies' Rated Stakes (Handicap)
All fields
- Date
- 6 Jul 04
- Course
- Newmarket (July)
- Race
- racingpost.co.uk Fillies' Rated Stakes (Handicap)
- This horse
- 8/9
- Winner next time
- Dawn Surprise (USA)
- Their pos
- 5
- Won on
- 4 Aug 04
- At
- Kempton
- Race won
- Byrne Group Classified Stakes Class C
- 10/1119 Jun 04 · Warwick
Eternal Stakes (Listed Race) (Fillies)
All fields
- Date
- 19 Jun 04
- Course
- Warwick
- Race
- Eternal Stakes (Listed Race) (Fillies)
- This horse
- 10/11
- Winner next time
- Lucky Pipit (GB)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 22 Jul 04
- At
- Yarmouth
- Race won
- European Breeders Fund Carlsberg Tetley Fillies' Conditions Stakes Class C
- 6/731 Mar 04 · Nottingham
April Conditions Stakes Class D
All fields
- Date
- 31 Mar 04
- Course
- Nottingham
- Race
- April Conditions Stakes Class D
- This horse
- 6/7
- Winner next time
- Proud Boast (GB)
- Their pos
- 7
- Won on
- 14 Apr 04
- At
- Beverley
- Race won
- Flying Five Classified Stakes Class C
- 5/1018 Oct 03 · Newmarket
Owen Brown Rockfel Stakes (Group 2)
All fields
- Date
- 18 Oct 03
- Course
- Newmarket
- Race
- Owen Brown Rockfel Stakes (Group 2)
- This horse
- 5/10
- Winner next time
- Perle D'Or (IRE)
- Their pos
- 10
- Won on
- 18 May 04
- At
- Redcar
- Race won
- Captain Cook Rating Related Maiden Stakes Class E
- 7/94 Oct 03 · Newmarket
Finnforest Oh So Sharp Stakes (Listed Race) (Fillies)
All fields
- Date
- 4 Oct 03
- Course
- Newmarket
- Race
- Finnforest Oh So Sharp Stakes (Listed Race) (Fillies)
- This horse
- 7/9
- Winner next time
- Spotlight (GB)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 1 Nov 03
- At
- Newmarket
- Race won
- EBF Montrose Fillies' Stakes (Listed Race)
- 2/1014 Aug 03 · Beverley
EBF Big Screen Is Here Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
All fields
- Date
- 14 Aug 03
- Course
- Beverley
- Race
- EBF Big Screen Is Here Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- This horse
- 2/10
- Winner next time
- Fabuco (IRE)
- Their pos
- 7
- Won on
- 17 Aug 03
- At
- Bath
- Race won
- Rising Sun Maiden Auction Stakes Class E
Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).
Trainer changes
| Trainer | First run | Last run | First run for yard | OR first run | OR last run | Best OR | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| B A McMahon | 14 Aug 03 | 6 Jul 04 | 2/10 | 73 | 82 | 90 | 12 | 1 | 2 | 0 | £10,221 | €0 |
B A McMahon
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- First run
- 14 Aug 03
- Last run
- 6 Jul 04
- First run for yard
- 2/10
- OR first run
- 73
- OR last run
- 82
- Best OR
- 90
- Runs
- 12
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 2
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £10,221
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | Best OR | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 12 | 1 | 2 | 0 | £10,221 | €0 | 90 | 14 Aug 03 | 6 Jul 04 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runs
- 12
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 2
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £10,221
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
- Best OR
- 90
- First run
- 14 Aug 03
- Last run
- 6 Jul 04
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
By race type
| Race type | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat Turf | 12 | 1 | 2 | 0 | £10,221 | €0 |
Flat Turf
- Race type
- Flat Turf
- Runs
- 12
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 2
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £10,221
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By going
| Going | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Firm | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,339 | €0 | ||
| Good to Firm | 7 | 1 | 1 | 0 | £6,882 | €0 | ||
| Good | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £2,000 | €0 |
Firm
- Going
- Firm
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,339
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Good to Firm
- Going
- Good to Firm
- Runs
- 7
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,882
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Good
- Going
- Good
- Runs
- 4
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £2,000
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By distance
| Distance | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 5f to 6f | 6 | 0 | 2 | 0 | £5,003 | €0 | ||
| 7f to 1m | 6 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £5,218 | €0 |
5f to 6f
- Distance
- 5f to 6f
- Runs
- 6
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 2
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £5,003
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
7f to 1m
- Distance
- 7f to 1m
- Runs
- 6
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £5,218
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Flat bands: 5f-6f, 7f-1m, 9f-11f, 12f-13f, 14f+. NH bands: 2m-2m1f, 2m2f-2m5f, 2m6f-3m1f, 3m2f+.
By course
| Course | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Warwick | 3 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £3,718 | €0 | ||
| Newmarket | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £2,750 | €0 | ||
| Bath | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,339 | €0 | ||
| Beverley | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,664 | €0 | ||
| Newmarket (July) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| Nottingham | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| Ripon | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £750 | €0 |
Warwick
- Course
- Warwick
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £3,718
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Newmarket
- Course
- Newmarket
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £2,750
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Bath
- Course
- Bath
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,339
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Beverley
- Course
- Beverley
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,664
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Newmarket (July)
- Course
- Newmarket (July)
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Nottingham
- Course
- Nottingham
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Ripon
- Course
- Ripon
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £750
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By class
| Class | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Group 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £1,500 | €0 | ||
| Listed | 5 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £2,000 | €0 | ||
| Class 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| Class 4 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 0 | £6,721 | €0 |
Group 2
- Class
- Group 2
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,500
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Listed
- Class
- Listed
- Runs
- 5
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £2,000
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Class 2
- Class
- Class 2
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Class 4
- Class
- Class 4
- Runs
- 5
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 2
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,721
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Pattern (Group/Grade/Listed) shown ahead of class. Irish races carry no class, so they are grouped as handicap or non-handicap.
By field size
| Runners | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 to 5 runners | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £2,089 | €0 | ||
| 6 to 8 runners | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £1,250 | €0 | ||
| 9 to 12 runners | 6 | 1 | 1 | 0 | £6,882 | €0 | ||
| 13 to 16 runners | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
2 to 5 runners
- Runners
- 2 to 5 runners
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £2,089
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
6 to 8 runners
- Runners
- 6 to 8 runners
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,250
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
9 to 12 runners
- Runners
- 9 to 12 runners
- Runs
- 6
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,882
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
13 to 16 runners
- Runners
- 13 to 16 runners
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By month
| Month | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| March | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| April | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £750 | €0 | ||
| June | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| July | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| August | 2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | £3,003 | €0 | ||
| September | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £3,718 | €0 | ||
| October | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £2,750 | €0 |
March
- Month
- March
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
April
- Month
- April
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £750
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
June
- Month
- June
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
July
- Month
- July
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
August
- Month
- August
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 2
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £3,003
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
September
- Month
- September
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £3,718
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
October
- Month
- October
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £2,750
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By jockey
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Willie Supple | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £2,250 | €0 | ||
| Franny Norton | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £3,718 | €0 | ||
| Jamie Mackay | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| Philip Robinson | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £1,250 | €0 | ||
| George Duffield | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,664 | €0 | ||
| Graham Gibbons | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| T Quinn | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,339 | €0 |
Willie Supple
- Jockey
- Willie Supple
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £2,250
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Franny Norton
- Jockey
- Franny Norton
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £3,718
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Jamie Mackay
- Jockey
- Jamie Mackay
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Philip Robinson
- Jockey
- Philip Robinson
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,250
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
George Duffield
- Jockey
- George Duffield
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,664
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Graham Gibbons
- Jockey
- Graham Gibbons
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
T Quinn
- Jockey
- T Quinn
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,339
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By trainer
| Trainer | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| B A McMahon | 12 | 1 | 2 | 0 | £10,221 | €0 |
B A McMahon
- Trainer
- B A McMahon
- Runs
- 12
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 2
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £10,221
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By headgear
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| No headgear | 12 | 1 | 2 | 0 | £10,221 | €0 |
No headgear
- Headgear
- No headgear
- Runs
- 12
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 2
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £10,221
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Headgear codes as declared: b blinkers, v visor, p cheekpieces, t tongue strap, h hood, e/s eyeshield.
By days since last run
| Days since last run | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Debut / no previous run | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £1,664 | €0 | ||
| 8 to 14 days | 6 | 1 | 1 | 0 | £7,807 | €0 | ||
| 15 to 30 days | 3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £750 | €0 | ||
| 31 to 60 days | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| 121 to 365 days | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
Debut / no previous run
- Days since last run
- Debut / no previous run
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,664
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
8 to 14 days
- Days since last run
- 8 to 14 days
- Runs
- 6
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £7,807
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
15 to 30 days
- Days since last run
- 15 to 30 days
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £750
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
31 to 60 days
- Days since last run
- 31 to 60 days
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
121 to 365 days
- Days since last run
- 121 to 365 days
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Counted from the previous run in Britain or Ireland; runs abroad are not seen.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchDanehill (USA)
Parent · 1
- SireDanehill (USA)
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's damNot traced
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchMorningsurprice (USA)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sireFuture Storm
- Dam's damNot traced
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sireNot traced
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
Not traced
Not traced
Future Storm
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Breeding card
HorseWithorwithoutyou (IRE)
Sexfilly
Foaled2001
SireDanehill (USA)
DamMorningsurprice (USA)
DamsireFuture Storm
Dam's produce3 winners from 3 runners
Notable siblingPracticallyperfect (IRE)
Female line
- Morningsurprice (USA) · 3 winners from 3 runners
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Danehill (USA) | Morningsurprice (USA) | Future Storm | filly | Flat 8.5f · NH 2m1½f | Flat 6.8f |
Danehill (USA)
- Sire
- Danehill (USA)
- Damsire
- Future Storm
- Sex
- filly
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 8.5f · NH 2m1½f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- Flat 6.8f
Progeny of Danehill (USA) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All Flat runs | 7,569 | 1,051 | 2,501 | 12 | 1 | ||
| At 7f to 1m | 3,145 | 421 | 1,031 | 6 | 1 | ||
| On Good to firm or firmer going | 2,739 | 392 | 958 | 8 | 1 | ||
| At 7f to 1m on Good to firm or firmer going | 1,187 | 160 | 396 | 6 | 1 |
All Flat runs
- Condition
- All Flat runs
- Runs
- 7,569
- Wins
- 1,051
- Placed
- 2,501
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 12
- This horse wins
- 1
At 7f to 1m
- Condition
- At 7f to 1m
- Runs
- 3,145
- Wins
- 421
- Placed
- 1,031
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 6
- This horse wins
- 1
On Good to firm or firmer going
- Condition
- On Good to firm or firmer going
- Runs
- 2,739
- Wins
- 392
- Placed
- 958
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 8
- This horse wins
- 1
At 7f to 1m on Good to firm or firmer going
- Condition
- At 7f to 1m on Good to firm or firmer going
- Runs
- 1,187
- Wins
- 160
- Placed
- 396
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 6
- This horse wins
- 1
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Danehill (USA) × Future Storm mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 1 | 1 | 0 | 12 | 1 | 2 | £10,221 | €0 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runners
- 1
- Winners
- 1
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 0
- Runs
- 12
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd/3rd
- 2
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £10,221
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Withorwithoutyou (IRE) | 12 | 1 | 0 | £10,221 | €0 |
Withorwithoutyou (IRE)
- Runs
- 12
- Wins
- 1
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £10,221
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Ratings
Official ratings
| Code | Current OR | Highest OR | Lowest OR | Last winning OR | Last win | Rated runs |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 82 | 90 | 73 | 73 | 20 Sep 03 | 9 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Current OR
- 82
- Highest OR
- 90
- Lowest OR
- 73
- Last winning OR
- 73
- Last win
- 20 Sep 03
- Rated runs
- 9
Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.
Official rating by run
| Date | Course | Code | OR | Change | Pos |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6 Jul 04 | Newmarket (July) | Flat | 82 | 2 | 8/9 |
| 19 Jun 04 | Warwick | Flat | 80 | -5 | 10/11 |
| 27 Apr 04 | Bath | Flat | 85 | -2 | 14/14 |
| 15 Apr 04 | Ripon | Flat | 87 | -3 | 5/5 |
| 31 Mar 04 | Nottingham | Flat | 90 | 0 | 6/7 |
| 31 Oct 03 | Newmarket | Flat | 90 | 10 | 4/7 |
| 18 Oct 03 | Newmarket | Flat | 80 | 5 | 5/10 |
| 4 Oct 03 | Newmarket | Flat | 75 | 2 | 7/9 |
| 20 Sep 03 | Warwick | Flat | 73 | - | 1/9 |
- 8/96 Jul 04 · Newmarket (July)
All fields
- Date
- 6 Jul 04
- Course
- Newmarket (July)
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 82
- Change
- 2
- Pos
- 8/9
- 10/1119 Jun 04 · Warwick
All fields
- Date
- 19 Jun 04
- Course
- Warwick
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 80
- Change
- -5
- Pos
- 10/11
- 14/1427 Apr 04 · Bath
All fields
- Date
- 27 Apr 04
- Course
- Bath
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 85
- Change
- -2
- Pos
- 14/14
- 5/515 Apr 04 · Ripon
All fields
- Date
- 15 Apr 04
- Course
- Ripon
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 87
- Change
- -3
- Pos
- 5/5
- 6/731 Mar 04 · Nottingham
All fields
- Date
- 31 Mar 04
- Course
- Nottingham
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 90
- Change
- 0
- Pos
- 6/7
- 4/731 Oct 03 · Newmarket
All fields
- Date
- 31 Oct 03
- Course
- Newmarket
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 90
- Change
- 10
- Pos
- 4/7
- 5/1018 Oct 03 · Newmarket
All fields
- Date
- 18 Oct 03
- Course
- Newmarket
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 80
- Change
- 5
- Pos
- 5/10
- 7/94 Oct 03 · Newmarket
All fields
- Date
- 4 Oct 03
- Course
- Newmarket
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 75
- Change
- 2
- Pos
- 7/9
- 1/920 Sep 03 · Warwick
All fields
- Date
- 20 Sep 03
- Course
- Warwick
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 73
- Change
- -
- Pos
- 1/9
Current mark v winning marks
| Code | Current OR | OR last run | Change | Last winning OR | Last win | v last winning | Highest winning OR | v highest winning | Highest OR | v highest |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 82 | 82 | 0 | 73 | 20 Sep 03 | 9 | 73 | 9 | 90 | -8 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Current OR
- 82
- OR last run
- 82
- Change
- 0
- Last winning OR
- 73
- Last win
- 20 Sep 03
- v last winning
- 9
- Highest winning OR
- 73
- v highest winning
- 9
- Highest OR
- 90
- v highest
- -8
Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 0
- Produce
- 3 winners from 3 runners
Full siblings
No other foal by Danehill (USA) out of Morningsurprice (USA) has raced in Britain or Ireland.
Half siblings
By King Charlemagne (USA)
- Practicallyperfect (IRE)2W · 10R
By Danehill Dancer (IRE)
- Miss Pelling (IRE)2W · 8R
Female line
- 1Morningsurprice (USA)
Notable relatives
Son
- Art Connoisseur (IRE)4W · 11R · 1 G1
In brief
When was Withorwithoutyou foaled?
Withorwithoutyou (IRE) was foaled in 2001.
Who are the sire and dam of Withorwithoutyou?
Withorwithoutyou (IRE) is by Danehill (USA) out of Morningsurprice (USA), a daughter of Future Storm.
Who trained Withorwithoutyou?
Withorwithoutyou (IRE) was trained by B A McMahon and owned by J C Fretwell at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.
What is Withorwithoutyou's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, Withorwithoutyou (IRE) won 1 of 12 races (8%). Runs abroad (for example in France, Dubai or the USA) are not included.
What is Withorwithoutyou's biggest win?
Withorwithoutyou (IRE)'s only win in Britain or Ireland came in the Stan James Nursery Class D at Warwick on 20 September 2003.
Has Withorwithoutyou ever been beaten?
Withorwithoutyou (IRE) was beaten 11 times in 12 runs in Britain and Ireland, the first time on 14 August 2003 at Beverley (2nd of 10).
What was Withorwithoutyou's official rating?
Withorwithoutyou (IRE) was last officially rated 82 on the Flat (career high 90).
Is Withorwithoutyou still racing?
Withorwithoutyou (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 6 July 2004 at Newmarket (July) in the racingpost.co.uk Fillies' Rated Stakes (Handicap), finishing 8th of 9, and has not run there since.
Is Withorwithoutyou related to any top horses?
Withorwithoutyou (IRE)'s black-type relatives in Britain and Ireland include Art Connoisseur (IRE) (son, Group 1 winner), from the Morningsurprice (USA) family.
What is Withorwithoutyou's record at Warwick?
Withorwithoutyou (IRE) ran most often at Warwick, with 1 win from 3 runs there.
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