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Horse profile
With Or Without
- TrainerMandy Rowland
- OwnerMiss M E Rowland
- FamilySay Thanks
- Sex
- mare
- Foaled
- 1999
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 0 wins from 1 run (0%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- £0
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 9 Aug 2004, Southwell (PU/7)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- Never won
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 9 Aug 04 | Southwell | PU/7 | 80/1 | Adam Pogson | Mandy Rowland | southwell-racecourse.co.uk Selling Hurdle Class G | Class 5 | Hurdle | 3m2f | Good to Soft | 10-1 | Look To The Future (IRE) | £2,548 | 0/5 |
southwell-racecourse.co.uk Selling Hurdle Class G
Class 53m2fGood to Soft
All fields
- Date
- 9 Aug 04
- Course
- Southwell
- Pos
- PU/7
- SP
- 80/1
- Jockey
- Adam Pogson
- Trainer
- Mandy Rowland
- Race
- southwell-racecourse.co.uk Selling Hurdle Class G
- Class
- Class 5
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 3m2f
- Going
- Good to Soft
- Wgt
- 10-1
- Winner / 2nd
- Look To The Future (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £2,548
- Future form
- 0/5
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Trainer changes
| Trainer | First run | Last run | First run for yard | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mandy Rowland | 9 Aug 04 | 9 Aug 04 | PU/7 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
Mandy Rowland
- Trainer
- Mandy Rowland
- First run
- 9 Aug 04
- Last run
- 9 Aug 04
- First run for yard
- PU/7
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | 9 Aug 04 | 9 Aug 04 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
- First run
- 9 Aug 04
- Last run
- 9 Aug 04
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchRidgewood Ben (GB)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireIndian Ridge (IRE)
- Sire's damBen's Pearl (GB)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchSay Thanks (GB)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sireThatching (GB)
- Dam's damNot traced
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sireNot traced
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
Breeding card
Female line
- Say Thanks (GB) · 1 winners from 5 runners
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ridgewood Ben (GB) | Say Thanks (GB) | Thatching (GB) | mare | Flat 9.2f · NH 2m½f | Flat 7.2f · NH 2m2f |
Ridgewood Ben (GB)
- Damsire
- Thatching (GB)
- Sex
- mare
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 9.2f · NH 2m½f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- Flat 7.2f · NH 2m2f
Progeny of Ridgewood Ben (GB) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All National Hunt runs | 435 | 26 | 69 | 1 | 0 | ||
| At 3m2f and over | 3 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | ||
| On Good to soft or yielding going | 88 | 9 | 17 | 1 | 0 | ||
| At 3m2f and over on Good to soft or yielding going | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
All National Hunt runs
- Condition
- All National Hunt runs
- Runs
- 435
- Wins
- 26
- Placed
- 69
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
At 3m2f and over
- Condition
- At 3m2f and over
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- Placed
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
On Good to soft or yielding going
- Condition
- On Good to soft or yielding going
- Runs
- 88
- Wins
- 9
- Placed
- 17
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
At 3m2f and over on Good to soft or yielding going
- Condition
- At 3m2f and over on Good to soft or yielding going
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- Placed
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Ridgewood Ben (GB) × Thatching mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Runners
- 1
- Winners
- 0
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 0
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd/3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| With Or Without (IRE) | 1 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
With Or Without (IRE)
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 0
- Produce
- 1 winners from 5 runners
Full siblings
No other foal by Ridgewood Ben (GB) out of Say Thanks (GB) has raced in Britain or Ireland.
Half siblings
By Fools Holme (USA)
- Im Holme (IRE)0W · 1R
By Taufan (USA)
- Be Polite (IRE)0W · 12R
By Roi Danzig (USA)
- Say Wonderful (IRE)2W · 23R
By Broken Hearted (GB)
- Masouri Sana (IRE)0W · 4R
Female line
- 1Say Thanks (GB)
Notable relatives
No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.
In brief
When was With Or Without foaled?
With Or Without (IRE) was foaled in 1999.
Who are the sire and dam of With Or Without?
With Or Without (IRE) is by Ridgewood Ben (GB) out of Say Thanks (GB), a daughter of Thatching (GB).
Who trained With Or Without?
With Or Without (IRE) was trained by Mandy Rowland and owned by Miss M E Rowland at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.
What is With Or Without's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, With Or Without (IRE) ran 1 time without winning.
Is With Or Without still racing?
With Or Without (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 9 August 2004 at Southwell in the southwell-racecourse.co.uk Selling Hurdle Class G (result: pulled up, 7 ran), and has not run there since.
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