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Horse profile
Vague Notion
- TrainerD K Weld
- OwnerMoyglare Stud Farm
- FamilyEpicure's Garden
- Sex
- filly
- Foaled
- 2004
- Highest OR
- 87
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 1 win from 2 runs (50%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- €11,747 IRE
- Last official rating
- 87 (Flat)
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 30 Jun 2007, Curragh (IRE) (10/11)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- 24 Jun 2007, Gowran Park (IRE)
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Btn | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | OR | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Days | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30 Jun 07 | Curragh (IRE) | 10/11 | 9/2 | 23 | Pat Smullen | D K Weld | Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap | Handicap (unclassified) | Flat Turf | 1m2f | Soft | 9-1 | 87 | Celtic Dane (IRE) | €18,228 | 6 | 1/10 |
| 24 Jun 07 | Gowran Park (IRE) | 1/12 | 7/1 | won 1½ | Pat Smullen | D K Weld | Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden | Non-handicap (unclassified) | Flat Turf | 1m1½f | Yielding to Soft | 9-0 | - | Priory Rock (IRE) | €11,747 | - | 3/11 |
- 10/1130 Jun 07 · Curragh (IRE)9/2
Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap
Handicap (unclassified)1m2fSoft
All fields
- Date
- 30 Jun 07
- Course
- Curragh (IRE)
- Pos
- 10/11
- SP
- 9/2
- Btn
- 23
- Jockey
- Pat Smullen
- Trainer
- D K Weld
- Race
- Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap
- Class
- Handicap (unclassified)
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 1m2f
- Going
- Soft
- Wgt
- 9-1
- OR
- 87
- Winner / 2nd
- Celtic Dane (IRE)
- Winner prize
- €18,228
- Days
- 6
- Future form
- 1/10
Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
Non-handicap (unclassified)1m1½fYielding to Soft
All fields
- Date
- 24 Jun 07
- Course
- Gowran Park (IRE)
- Pos
- 1/12
- SP
- 7/1
- Btn
- won 1½
- Jockey
- Pat Smullen
- Trainer
- D K Weld
- Race
- Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
- Class
- Non-handicap (unclassified)
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 1m1½f
- Going
- Yielding to Soft
- Wgt
- 9-0
- OR
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Priory Rock (IRE)
- Winner prize
- €11,747
- Days
- -
- Future form
- 3/11
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races
| Date | Course | Race | This horse | Winner next time | Their pos | Won on | At | Race won |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30 Jun 07 | Curragh (IRE) | Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap | 10/11 | Potion (GB) | 11 | 3 Sep 07 | Roscommon (IRE) | Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Handicap |
| 24 Jun 07 | Gowran Park (IRE) | Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden | 1/12 | Priory Rock (IRE) | 2 | 6 Jul 07 | Wexford (RH) (IRE) | J.J. Byrne Car Sales Maiden |
| 24 Jun 07 | Gowran Park (IRE) | Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden | 1/12 | Summer Gold (IRE) | 4 | 16 May 08 | Newcastle | Champagne & Swing Night 29th May Handicap |
| 24 Jun 07 | Gowran Park (IRE) | Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden | 1/12 | My Valley (IRE) | 8 | 31 Jul 07 | Galway (IRE) | Tote Jackpot Handicap |
- 10/1130 Jun 07 · Curragh (IRE)
Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap
All fields
- Date
- 30 Jun 07
- Course
- Curragh (IRE)
- Race
- Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap
- This horse
- 10/11
- Winner next time
- Potion (GB)
- Their pos
- 11
- Won on
- 3 Sep 07
- Race won
- Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Handicap
- 1/1224 Jun 07 · Gowran Park (IRE)
Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
All fields
- Date
- 24 Jun 07
- Course
- Gowran Park (IRE)
- Race
- Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
- This horse
- 1/12
- Winner next time
- Priory Rock (IRE)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 6 Jul 07
- At
- Wexford (RH) (IRE)
- Race won
- J.J. Byrne Car Sales Maiden
- 1/1224 Jun 07 · Gowran Park (IRE)
Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
All fields
- Date
- 24 Jun 07
- Course
- Gowran Park (IRE)
- Race
- Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
- This horse
- 1/12
- Winner next time
- Summer Gold (IRE)
- Their pos
- 4
- Won on
- 16 May 08
- Race won
- Champagne & Swing Night 29th May Handicap
- 1/1224 Jun 07 · Gowran Park (IRE)
Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
All fields
- Date
- 24 Jun 07
- Course
- Gowran Park (IRE)
- Race
- Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
- This horse
- 1/12
- Winner next time
- My Valley (IRE)
- Their pos
- 8
- Won on
- 31 Jul 07
- Race won
- Tote Jackpot Handicap
Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).
Trainer changes
| Trainer | First run | Last run | First run for yard | OR first run | OR last run | Best OR | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| D K Weld | 24 Jun 07 | 30 Jun 07 | 1/12 | 87 | 87 | 87 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €11,747 |
D K Weld
- Trainer
- D K Weld
- First run
- 24 Jun 07
- Last run
- 30 Jun 07
- First run for yard
- 1/12
- OR first run
- 87
- OR last run
- 87
- Best OR
- 87
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €11,747
Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | Best OR | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €11,747 | 87 | 24 Jun 07 | 30 Jun 07 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €11,747
- Best OR
- 87
- First run
- 24 Jun 07
- Last run
- 30 Jun 07
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchGrand Lodge (USA)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireChief's Crown (USA)
- Sire's damLa Papagena (GB)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchEpicure's Garden (USA)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sireAffirmed (USA)
- Dam's damNot traced
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sireNot traced
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
Breeding card
Female line
- Epicure's Garden (USA) · 10 winners from 10 runners
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Grand Lodge (USA) | Epicure's Garden (USA) | Affirmed (USA) | filly | Flat 9.3f · NH 2m2f | Flat 9.4f · NH 2m2½f |
Grand Lodge (USA)
- Damsire
- Affirmed (USA)
- Sex
- filly
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 9.3f · NH 2m2f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- Flat 9.4f · NH 2m2½f
Progeny of Grand Lodge (USA) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All Flat runs | 6,040 | 592 | 1,494 | 2 | 1 | ||
| At 9f to 11f | 1,678 | 170 | 428 | 2 | 1 | ||
| On Good to soft or yielding going | 710 | 49 | 147 | 1 | 1 | ||
| At 9f to 11f on Good to soft or yielding going | 202 | 20 | 46 | 1 | 1 |
All Flat runs
- Condition
- All Flat runs
- Runs
- 6,040
- Wins
- 592
- Placed
- 1,494
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 2
- This horse wins
- 1
At 9f to 11f
- Condition
- At 9f to 11f
- Runs
- 1,678
- Wins
- 170
- Placed
- 428
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 2
- This horse wins
- 1
On Good to soft or yielding going
- Condition
- On Good to soft or yielding going
- Runs
- 710
- Wins
- 49
- Placed
- 147
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 1
At 9f to 11f on Good to soft or yielding going
- Condition
- At 9f to 11f on Good to soft or yielding going
- Runs
- 202
- Wins
- 20
- Placed
- 46
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 1
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Grand Lodge (USA) × Affirmed mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 1 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | £0 | €11,747 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runners
- 1
- Winners
- 1
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 0
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd/3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €11,747
Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Vague Notion (IRE) | 2 | 1 | 0 | £0 | €11,747 |
Vague Notion (IRE)
- Horse
- Vague Notion (IRE)
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €11,747
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Ratings
Official ratings
| Code | Current OR | Highest OR | Lowest OR | Rated runs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 87 | 87 | 87 | 1 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Current OR
- 87
- Highest OR
- 87
- Lowest OR
- 87
- Rated runs
- 1
Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.
Official rating by run
| Date | Course | Code | OR | Pos |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 30 Jun 07 | Curragh (IRE) | Flat | 87 | 10/11 |
- 10/1130 Jun 07 · Curragh (IRE)
All fields
- Date
- 30 Jun 07
- Course
- Curragh (IRE)
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 87
- Pos
- 10/11
Current mark v winning marks
| Code | Current OR | OR last run | Change | Highest OR | v highest |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 87 | 87 | 0 | 87 | 0 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Current OR
- 87
- OR last run
- 87
- Change
- 0
- Highest OR
- 87
- v highest
- 0
Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 0
- Produce
- 10 winners from 10 runners
Full siblings
No other foal by Grand Lodge (USA) out of Epicure's Garden (USA) has raced in Britain or Ireland.
Half siblings
By Trempolino (USA)
- Stark Contrast I (USA)2W · 14R
By Dixieland Band (USA)
- Creative Bloom (USA)1W · 6R
By Deputy Minister (CAN)
- Tax Reform (USA)2W · 14R
By Green Dancer (USA)
- Cryptic Pattern (GB)2W · 19R
By Generous (IRE)
- Lisieux Rose (IRE)3W · 8R · 1 black-type
By Fairy King (USA)
- South Of Heaven (IRE)1W · 3R
By Sadler's Wells (USA)
- Among Equals I (GB)3W · 16R
By Salse (USA)
- Sun Seasons (IRE)1W · 3R
By Danehill (USA)
- Utterly Heaven (IRE)1W · 8R
Female line
- 1Epicure's Garden (USA)
Notable relatives
Half-sister
- Lisieux Rose (IRE)3W · 8R · 1 black-type
Nephew (out of a sibling)
- Forgotten Rules (IRE)4W · 12R · 2 black-type
Great-great-niece
- Coedana (IRE)4W · 10R · 2 black-type
Niece (out of a sibling)
- Vintage Nouveau (IRE)3W · 5R · 1 black-type
Great-nephew
- Harbour Wind (IRE)5W · 12R · 3 black-type
In brief
When was Vague Notion foaled?
Vague Notion (IRE) was foaled in 2004.
Who are the sire and dam of Vague Notion?
Vague Notion (IRE) is by Grand Lodge (USA) out of Epicure's Garden (USA), a daughter of Affirmed (USA).
Who trained Vague Notion?
Vague Notion (IRE) was trained by D K Weld and owned by Moyglare Stud Farm at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.
What is Vague Notion's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, Vague Notion (IRE) won 1 of 2 races (50%).
What is Vague Notion's biggest win?
Vague Notion (IRE)'s only win in Britain or Ireland came in the Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden at Gowran Park (IRE) on 24 June 2007.
Has Vague Notion ever been beaten?
Vague Notion (IRE) was beaten once in 2 runs in Britain and Ireland, on 30 June 2007 at Curragh (IRE) (10th of 11).
What was Vague Notion's official rating?
Vague Notion (IRE) was last officially rated 87 on the Flat (also the career high).
Is Vague Notion still racing?
Vague Notion (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 30 June 2007 at Curragh (IRE) in the Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap, finishing 10th of 11, and has not run there since.
Is Vague Notion related to any top horses?
Vague Notion (IRE)'s black-type relatives in Britain and Ireland include Lisieux Rose (IRE) (half-sister, Group 2 winner), Forgotten Rules (IRE) (nephew, Group 2 winner) and Coedana (IRE) (great-great-niece, Group 3 winner), from the Epicure's Garden (USA) family.
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