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Vague Notion (IRE) silks

Horse profile

Vague Notion

Sex
filly
Foaled
2004
Highest OR
87
Record (GB & IRE)
1 win from 2 runs (50%)
Prize money (GB & IRE)
€11,747 IRE
Last official rating
87 (Flat)
Last run (GB & IRE)
30 Jun 2007, Curragh (IRE) (10/11)
Last win (GB & IRE)
24 Jun 2007, Gowran Park (IRE)
Recent form
110

Form

Race record

DateCoursePosSPBtnJockeyTrainerRaceClassTypeDistGoingWgtORWinner / 2ndWinner prizeDaysFuture form
30 Jun 07Curragh (IRE)10/119/223Pat SmullenD K WeldWoodies DIY Derby Festival HandicapHandicap (unclassified)Flat Turf1m2fSoft9-187Celtic Dane (IRE)€18,22861/10
24 Jun 07Gowran Park (IRE)1/127/1won 1½Pat SmullenD K WeldIrish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies MaidenNon-handicap (unclassified)Flat Turf1m1½fYielding to Soft9-0-Priory Rock (IRE)€11,747-3/11
  • 10/1130 Jun 07 · Curragh (IRE)9/2

    Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap

    Handicap (unclassified)1m2fSoft

    All fields
    Date
    30 Jun 07
    Course
    Curragh (IRE)
    Pos
    10/11
    SP
    9/2
    Btn
    23
    Trainer
    D K Weld
    Race
    Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap
    Class
    Handicap (unclassified)
    Type
    Flat Turf
    Dist
    1m2f
    Going
    Soft
    Wgt
    9-1
    OR
    87
    Winner / 2nd
    Celtic Dane (IRE)
    Winner prize
    €18,228
    Days
    6
    Future form
    1/10
  • 1/1224 Jun 07 · Gowran Park (IRE)7/1

    Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden

    Non-handicap (unclassified)1m1½fYielding to Soft

    All fields
    Date
    24 Jun 07
    Pos
    1/12
    SP
    7/1
    Btn
    won 1½
    Trainer
    D K Weld
    Race
    Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
    Class
    Non-handicap (unclassified)
    Type
    Flat Turf
    Dist
    1m1½f
    Going
    Yielding to Soft
    Wgt
    9-0
    OR
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Priory Rock (IRE)
    Winner prize
    €11,747
    Days
    -
    Future form
    3/11

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

DateCourseRaceThis horseWinner next timeTheir posWon onAtRace won
30 Jun 07Curragh (IRE)Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap10/11Potion (GB)113 Sep 07Roscommon (IRE)Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Handicap
24 Jun 07Gowran Park (IRE)Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden1/12Priory Rock (IRE)26 Jul 07Wexford (RH) (IRE)J.J. Byrne Car Sales Maiden
24 Jun 07Gowran Park (IRE)Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden1/12Summer Gold (IRE)416 May 08NewcastleChampagne & Swing Night 29th May Handicap
24 Jun 07Gowran Park (IRE)Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden1/12My Valley (IRE)831 Jul 07Galway (IRE)Tote Jackpot Handicap
  • 10/1130 Jun 07 · Curragh (IRE)

    Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap

    All fields
    Date
    30 Jun 07
    Course
    Curragh (IRE)
    Race
    Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap
    This horse
    10/11
    Winner next time
    Potion (GB)
    Their pos
    11
    Won on
    3 Sep 07
    Race won
    Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Handicap
  • 1/1224 Jun 07 · Gowran Park (IRE)

    Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden

    All fields
    Date
    24 Jun 07
    Race
    Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
    This horse
    1/12
    Winner next time
    Priory Rock (IRE)
    Their pos
    2
    Won on
    6 Jul 07
    At
    Wexford (RH) (IRE)
    Race won
    J.J. Byrne Car Sales Maiden
  • 1/1224 Jun 07 · Gowran Park (IRE)

    Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden

    All fields
    Date
    24 Jun 07
    Race
    Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
    This horse
    1/12
    Winner next time
    Summer Gold (IRE)
    Their pos
    4
    Won on
    16 May 08
    Race won
    Champagne & Swing Night 29th May Handicap
  • 1/1224 Jun 07 · Gowran Park (IRE)

    Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden

    All fields
    Date
    24 Jun 07
    Race
    Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden
    This horse
    1/12
    Winner next time
    My Valley (IRE)
    Their pos
    8
    Won on
    31 Jul 07
    Race won
    Tote Jackpot Handicap

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

TrainerFirst runLast runFirst run for yardOR first runOR last runBest ORRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
D K Weld24 Jun 0730 Jun 071/12878787210050.0%50.0%£0€11,747
D K Weld
Trainer
D K Weld
First run
24 Jun 07
Last run
30 Jun 07
First run for yard
1/12
OR first run
87
OR last run
87
Best OR
87
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€11,747

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

CodeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)Best ORFirst runLast run
Flat210050.0%50.0%£0€11,7478724 Jun 0730 Jun 07
Flat
Code
Flat
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€11,747
Best OR
87
First run
24 Jun 07
Last run
30 Jun 07

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

Pedigree

Pedigree

Sire branchGrand Lodge (USA)

Parent · 1

  1. SireGrand Lodge (USA)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Sire's sireChief's Crown (USA)
  2. Sire's damLa Papagena (GB)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Sire's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's sire's damNot traced
  3. Sire's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchEpicure's Garden (USA)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Dam's sireAffirmed (USA)
  2. Dam's damNot traced

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Dam's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Dam's sire's damNot traced
  3. Dam's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Dam's dam's damNot traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced

Breeding card

HorseVague Notion (IRE)
Sexfilly
Foaled2004
SireGrand Lodge (USA)
DamEpicure's Garden (USA)
DamsireAffirmed (USA)
Sire's sireChief's Crown (USA)
Sire's damLa Papagena (GB)
Dam's produce10 winners from 10 runners
Notable siblingLisieux Rose (IRE)

Female line

  1. Epicure's Garden (USA) · 10 winners from 10 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

SireDamDamsireSexSire's avg winning distanceDamsire's avg winning distance
Grand Lodge (USA)Epicure's Garden (USA)Affirmed (USA)fillyFlat 9.3f · NH 2m2fFlat 9.4f · NH 2m2½f
Grand Lodge (USA)
Sex
filly
Sire's avg winning distance
Flat 9.3f · NH 2m2f
Damsire's avg winning distance
Flat 9.4f · NH 2m2½f

Progeny of Grand Lodge (USA) in this horse's best conditions

ConditionRunsWinsPlacedWin %Place %This horse runsThis horse wins
All Flat runs6,0405921,4949.8%24.7%21
At 9f to 11f1,67817042810.1%25.5%21
On Good to soft or yielding going710491476.9%20.7%11
At 9f to 11f on Good to soft or yielding going20220469.9%22.8%11
All Flat runs
Condition
All Flat runs
Runs
6,040
Wins
592
Placed
1,494
Win %
9.8%
Place %
24.7%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
1
At 9f to 11f
Condition
At 9f to 11f
Runs
1,678
Wins
170
Placed
428
Win %
10.1%
Place %
25.5%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
1
On Good to soft or yielding going
Condition
On Good to soft or yielding going
Runs
710
Wins
49
Placed
147
Win %
6.9%
Place %
20.7%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
1
At 9f to 11f on Good to soft or yielding going
Condition
At 9f to 11f on Good to soft or yielding going
Runs
202
Wins
20
Placed
46
Win %
9.9%
Place %
22.8%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
1

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Grand Lodge (USA) × Affirmed mares (the cross)

CodeRunnersWinnersWinners %Black-type winnersRunsWins2nd/3rdWin %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Flat11100.0%021050.0%£0€11,747
Flat
Code
Flat
Runners
1
Winners
1
Winners %
100.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd/3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€11,747

Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.

Best of the cross

HorseRunsWinsBlack-type winsPrize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Vague Notion (IRE)210£0€11,747
Vague Notion (IRE)
Runs
2
Wins
1
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€11,747

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Ratings

Official ratings

CodeCurrent ORHighest ORLowest ORRated runs
Flat8787871
Flat
Code
Flat
Current OR
87
Highest OR
87
Lowest OR
87
Rated runs
1

Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.

Official rating by run

DateCourseCodeORPos
30 Jun 07Curragh (IRE)Flat8710/11
  • 10/1130 Jun 07 · Curragh (IRE)
    All fields
    Date
    30 Jun 07
    Course
    Curragh (IRE)
    Code
    Flat
    OR
    87
    Pos
    10/11

Current mark v winning marks

CodeCurrent OROR last runChangeHighest ORv highest
Flat87870870
Flat
Code
Flat
Current OR
87
OR last run
87
Change
0
Highest OR
87
v highest
0

Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.

Family

Dam summary

Epicure's Garden (USA)

G1 winners
0
Produce
10 winners from 10 runners

Full siblings

No other foal by Grand Lodge (USA) out of Epicure's Garden (USA) has raced in Britain or Ireland.

Half siblings

By Trempolino (USA)

By Dixieland Band (USA)

By Deputy Minister (CAN)

By Green Dancer (USA)

By Generous (IRE)

By Fairy King (USA)

By Sadler's Wells (USA)

By Salse (USA)

By Danehill (USA)

Female line

  1. 1Epicure's Garden (USA)

Notable relatives

Half-sister

Nephew (out of a sibling)

Great-great-niece

Niece (out of a sibling)

Great-nephew

View full Epicure's Garden family

In brief

When was Vague Notion foaled?

Vague Notion (IRE) was foaled in 2004.

Who are the sire and dam of Vague Notion?

Vague Notion (IRE) is by Grand Lodge (USA) out of Epicure's Garden (USA), a daughter of Affirmed (USA).

Who trained Vague Notion?

Vague Notion (IRE) was trained by D K Weld and owned by Moyglare Stud Farm at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is Vague Notion's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, Vague Notion (IRE) won 1 of 2 races (50%).

What is Vague Notion's biggest win?

Vague Notion (IRE)'s only win in Britain or Ireland came in the Irish Stallion Farms European Breeders Fund Fillies Maiden at Gowran Park (IRE) on 24 June 2007.

Has Vague Notion ever been beaten?

Vague Notion (IRE) was beaten once in 2 runs in Britain and Ireland, on 30 June 2007 at Curragh (IRE) (10th of 11).

What was Vague Notion's official rating?

Vague Notion (IRE) was last officially rated 87 on the Flat (also the career high).

Is Vague Notion still racing?

Vague Notion (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 30 June 2007 at Curragh (IRE) in the Woodies DIY Derby Festival Handicap, finishing 10th of 11, and has not run there since.

Is Vague Notion related to any top horses?

Vague Notion (IRE)'s black-type relatives in Britain and Ireland include Lisieux Rose (IRE) (half-sister, Group 2 winner), Forgotten Rules (IRE) (nephew, Group 2 winner) and Coedana (IRE) (great-great-niece, Group 3 winner), from the Epicure's Garden (USA) family.

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