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There And Then (GB) silks

Horse profile

There And Then

Where Or When (IRE) × Cugina (GB) (Distant Relative (GB))
Sex
gelding
Foaled
2006
Highest OR
117
Record (GB & IRE)
2 wins from 14 runs (14%)
Prize money (GB & IRE)
£6,147 GB
Last official rating
112 (Jumps)
Last run (GB & IRE)
22 May 2012, Towcester (12/12)
Last win (GB & IRE)
15 Apr 2011, Chepstow
Recent form
1486127753PU3512

Form

Race record

DateCoursePosSPBtnJockeyTrainerRaceClassTypeDistGoingWgtORHeadgearWinner / 2ndWinner prizeDaysFuture form
22 May 12Towcester12/1222/1distMiss C L BrownSeamus MullinsBetfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap HurdleClass 4Hurdle2m3fGood to Firm11-2112-Bathwick Man (GB)£3,249612/11
22 Mar 12Fontwell5/63/1distAndrew ThorntonSeamus MullinsRichard Venn Bloodstock Handicap ChaseClass 4Chase2m5fGood11-8105vSaskompliq (FR)£3,05471/4
15 Mar 12Towcester3/822/16¾Andrew ThorntonSeamus MullinsMiddleton Wholesale Novices' ChaseClass 4Chase2m4fGood to Soft10-12105-Satou (FR)£2,599180/6
26 Feb 12TowcesterPU/1120/1-Andrew ThorntonSeamus Mullinsangliadogs.co.uk Novices' Handicap ChaseClass 4Chase2m5½fGood to Soft11-11112-Pensnett Bay (GB)£2,274451/10
12 Jan 12Fontwell3/77/1distNoel FehilySeamus MullinsHorton's Steam Fair Handicap ChaseClass 4Chase2m3fSoft11-12115-Marodima (FR)£3,054171/6
26 Dec 11Fontwell5/528/1distDanny MullinsSeamus MullinsMercedes Benz of Chichester Classic Beginners' ChaseClass 4Chase2m3fSoft10-11--Problema Tic (FR)£3,054110/4
15 Dec 11Exeter7/733/120¾Wayne KavanaghSeamus MullinsSouth-West Racing Club Handicap HurdleClass 3Hurdle2m1fHeavy10-10117-Highway Code (USA)£5,523422/6
3 Nov 11Towcester7/88/1distAndrew ThorntonSeamus MullinsAgetur UK Handicap HurdleClass 4Hurdle2m5fGood11-9117-Kasbadali (FR)£2,5341570/7
30 May 11Towcester2/84/11¼Andrew ThorntonSeamus Mullinsgg.Com Novices' HurdleClass 4Hurdle2m3fGood11-5116-The Strawberry One (GB)£2,602451/7
15 Apr 11Chepstow1/1125/1won 2Andrew ThorntonSeamus MullinsBraceys "The Friendly Builders Merchant" 'National Hunt' Maiden HurdleClass 5Hurdle2mGood11-0--Varkala (IRE)£1,952240/10
22 Mar 11Kempton6/1040/1distAndrew ThorntonSeamus MullinsKinnell And Certass "National Hunt" Novices' HurdleClass 4Hurdle2mGood11-0--Shuil Royale (IRE)£2,553510/7
30 Jan 11Hereford8/1625/1distBarry KenirySeamus MullinsEuropean Breeders' Fund "National Hunt" Novices' HurdleClass 4Hurdle2m3½fSoft11-2--Cucumber Run (IRE)£2,017230/13
7 Jan 11Fontwell4/117/2F19¼Mr Darren O'KeeffeSeamus MullinsHardings Catering Standard Open National Hunt Flat RaceClass 6NH Flat2m1½fHeavy11-3--Arbeo (IRE)£1,3703311/9
10 Feb 10Southwell (AW)1/1013/2won 1¼Dougie CostelloHughie MorrisonCome Summer Jumping At Southwell "Junior" Standard Open National Hunt Flat RaceClass 4NH Flat2mStandard11-0--First Rock (IRE)£2,602-0/9
  • 12/1222 May 12 · Towcester22/1

    Betfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap Hurdle

    Class 42m3fGood to Firm

    All fields
    Date
    22 May 12
    Course
    Towcester
    Pos
    12/12
    SP
    22/1
    Btn
    dist
    Race
    Betfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap Hurdle
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m3f
    Going
    Good to Firm
    Wgt
    11-2
    OR
    112
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Bathwick Man (GB)
    Winner prize
    £3,249
    Days
    61
    Future form
    2/11
  • 5/622 Mar 12 · Fontwell3/1

    Richard Venn Bloodstock Handicap Chase

    Class 42m5fGood

    All fields
    Date
    22 Mar 12
    Course
    Fontwell
    Pos
    5/6
    SP
    3/1
    Btn
    dist
    Race
    Richard Venn Bloodstock Handicap Chase
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Chase
    Dist
    2m5f
    Going
    Good
    Wgt
    11-8
    OR
    105
    Headgear
    v
    Winner / 2nd
    Saskompliq (FR)
    Winner prize
    £3,054
    Days
    7
    Future form
    1/4
  • 3/815 Mar 12 · Towcester22/1

    Middleton Wholesale Novices' Chase

    Class 42m4fGood to Soft

    All fields
    Date
    15 Mar 12
    Course
    Towcester
    Pos
    3/8
    SP
    22/1
    Btn
    6¾
    Race
    Middleton Wholesale Novices' Chase
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Chase
    Dist
    2m4f
    Going
    Good to Soft
    Wgt
    10-12
    OR
    105
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Satou (FR)
    Winner prize
    £2,599
    Days
    18
    Future form
    0/6
  • PU/1126 Feb 12 · Towcester20/1

    angliadogs.co.uk Novices' Handicap Chase

    Class 42m5½fGood to Soft

    All fields
    Date
    26 Feb 12
    Course
    Towcester
    Pos
    PU/11
    SP
    20/1
    Btn
    -
    Race
    angliadogs.co.uk Novices' Handicap Chase
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Chase
    Dist
    2m5½f
    Going
    Good to Soft
    Wgt
    11-11
    OR
    112
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Pensnett Bay (GB)
    Winner prize
    £2,274
    Days
    45
    Future form
    1/10
  • 3/712 Jan 12 · Fontwell7/1

    Horton's Steam Fair Handicap Chase

    Class 42m3fSoft

    All fields
    Date
    12 Jan 12
    Course
    Fontwell
    Pos
    3/7
    SP
    7/1
    Btn
    dist
    Race
    Horton's Steam Fair Handicap Chase
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Chase
    Dist
    2m3f
    Going
    Soft
    Wgt
    11-12
    OR
    115
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Marodima (FR)
    Winner prize
    £3,054
    Days
    17
    Future form
    1/6
  • 5/526 Dec 11 · Fontwell28/1

    Mercedes Benz of Chichester Classic Beginners' Chase

    Class 42m3fSoft

    All fields
    Date
    26 Dec 11
    Course
    Fontwell
    Pos
    5/5
    SP
    28/1
    Btn
    dist
    Race
    Mercedes Benz of Chichester Classic Beginners' Chase
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Chase
    Dist
    2m3f
    Going
    Soft
    Wgt
    10-11
    OR
    -
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Problema Tic (FR)
    Winner prize
    £3,054
    Days
    11
    Future form
    0/4
  • 7/715 Dec 11 · Exeter33/1

    South-West Racing Club Handicap Hurdle

    Class 32m1fHeavy

    All fields
    Date
    15 Dec 11
    Course
    Exeter
    Pos
    7/7
    SP
    33/1
    Btn
    20¾
    Race
    South-West Racing Club Handicap Hurdle
    Class
    Class 3
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m1f
    Going
    Heavy
    Wgt
    10-10
    OR
    117
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Highway Code (USA)
    Winner prize
    £5,523
    Days
    42
    Future form
    2/6
  • 7/83 Nov 11 · Towcester8/1

    Agetur UK Handicap Hurdle

    Class 42m5fGood

    All fields
    Date
    3 Nov 11
    Course
    Towcester
    Pos
    7/8
    SP
    8/1
    Btn
    dist
    Race
    Agetur UK Handicap Hurdle
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m5f
    Going
    Good
    Wgt
    11-9
    OR
    117
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Kasbadali (FR)
    Winner prize
    £2,534
    Days
    157
    Future form
    0/7
  • 2/830 May 11 · Towcester4/1

    gg.Com Novices' Hurdle

    Class 42m3fGood

    All fields
    Date
    30 May 11
    Course
    Towcester
    Pos
    2/8
    SP
    4/1
    Btn
    1¼
    Race
    gg.Com Novices' Hurdle
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m3f
    Going
    Good
    Wgt
    11-5
    OR
    116
    Headgear
    -
    Winner prize
    £2,602
    Days
    45
    Future form
    1/7
  • 1/1115 Apr 11 · Chepstow25/1

    Braceys "The Friendly Builders Merchant" 'National Hunt' Maiden Hurdle

    Class 52mGood

    All fields
    Date
    15 Apr 11
    Course
    Chepstow
    Pos
    1/11
    SP
    25/1
    Btn
    won 2
    Race
    Braceys "The Friendly Builders Merchant" 'National Hunt' Maiden Hurdle
    Class
    Class 5
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m
    Going
    Good
    Wgt
    11-0
    OR
    -
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Varkala (IRE)
    Winner prize
    £1,952
    Days
    24
    Future form
    0/10
  • 6/1022 Mar 11 · Kempton40/1

    Kinnell And Certass "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle

    Class 42mGood

    All fields
    Date
    22 Mar 11
    Course
    Kempton
    Pos
    6/10
    SP
    40/1
    Btn
    dist
    Race
    Kinnell And Certass "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m
    Going
    Good
    Wgt
    11-0
    OR
    -
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Shuil Royale (IRE)
    Winner prize
    £2,553
    Days
    51
    Future form
    0/7
  • 8/1630 Jan 11 · Hereford25/1

    European Breeders' Fund "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle

    Class 42m3½fSoft

    All fields
    Date
    30 Jan 11
    Course
    Hereford
    Pos
    8/16
    SP
    25/1
    Btn
    dist
    Race
    European Breeders' Fund "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m3½f
    Going
    Soft
    Wgt
    11-2
    OR
    -
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Cucumber Run (IRE)
    Winner prize
    £2,017
    Days
    23
    Future form
    0/13
  • 4/117 Jan 11 · Fontwell7/2F

    Hardings Catering Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race

    Class 62m1½fHeavy

    All fields
    Date
    7 Jan 11
    Course
    Fontwell
    Pos
    4/11
    SP
    7/2F
    Btn
    19¼
    Race
    Hardings Catering Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
    Class
    Class 6
    Type
    NH Flat
    Dist
    2m1½f
    Going
    Heavy
    Wgt
    11-3
    OR
    -
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    Arbeo (IRE)
    Winner prize
    £1,370
    Days
    331
    Future form
    1/9
  • 1/1010 Feb 10 · Southwell (AW)13/2

    Come Summer Jumping At Southwell "Junior" Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race

    Class 42mStandard

    All fields
    Date
    10 Feb 10
    Course
    Southwell (AW)
    Pos
    1/10
    SP
    13/2
    Btn
    won 1¼
    Race
    Come Summer Jumping At Southwell "Junior" Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    NH Flat
    Dist
    2m
    Going
    Standard
    Wgt
    11-0
    OR
    -
    Headgear
    -
    Winner / 2nd
    First Rock (IRE)
    Winner prize
    £2,602
    Days
    -
    Future form
    0/9

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

DateCourseRaceThis horseWinner next timeTheir posWon onAtRace won
22 May 12TowcesterBetfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap Hurdle12/12Royal Riviera (GB)314 Jun 12HerefordCadantis Associates Ltd Handicap Hurdle
22 May 12TowcesterBetfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap Hurdle12/12Lost Glory (NZ)107 Jun 12UttoxeterBeefy's Big Birthday Bash Handicap Hurdle
22 Mar 12FontwellRichard Venn Bloodstock Handicap Chase5/6I'Ve Been Framed (IRE)331 Mar 12UttoxeterStill Treble Odds On Lucky 15 Handicap Chase
26 Feb 12Towcesterangliadogs.co.uk Novices' Handicap ChasePU/11Fennis Boy (IRE)48 Jul 12Market RasenGet Well Soon Derek Thompson Beginners' Chase
12 Jan 12FontwellHorton's Steam Fair Handicap Chase3/7Marodima (FR)114 Jan 12WarwickBetfred The Bonus King Handicap Chase (for the Edward Courage Cup)
15 Dec 11ExeterSouth-West Racing Club Handicap Hurdle7/7Drumshambo (USA)230 Dec 11TauntonSteve Logan Memorial County Contractors Handicap Hurdle
15 Dec 11ExeterSouth-West Racing Club Handicap Hurdle7/7All The Winds (GER)629 Dec 11Kempton (AW)Book Your 2012 Wedding At Kempton Park Handicap
30 May 11Towcestergg.Com Novices' Hurdle2/8Halucha (IRE)35 Oct 11TowcesterBhest Racing To School "National Hunt" Novices' Handicap Hurdle
7 Jan 11FontwellHardings Catering Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race4/11Arbeo (IRE)12 Mar 11FolkestoneWood-Mizer Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race
  • 12/1222 May 12 · Towcester

    Betfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap Hurdle

    All fields
    Date
    22 May 12
    Course
    Towcester
    Race
    Betfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap Hurdle
    This horse
    12/12
    Winner next time
    Royal Riviera (GB)
    Their pos
    3
    Won on
    14 Jun 12
    Race won
    Cadantis Associates Ltd Handicap Hurdle
  • 12/1222 May 12 · Towcester

    Betfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap Hurdle

    All fields
    Date
    22 May 12
    Course
    Towcester
    Race
    Betfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap Hurdle
    This horse
    12/12
    Winner next time
    Lost Glory (NZ)
    Their pos
    10
    Won on
    7 Jun 12
    Race won
    Beefy's Big Birthday Bash Handicap Hurdle
  • 5/622 Mar 12 · Fontwell

    Richard Venn Bloodstock Handicap Chase

    All fields
    Date
    22 Mar 12
    Course
    Fontwell
    Race
    Richard Venn Bloodstock Handicap Chase
    This horse
    5/6
    Winner next time
    I'Ve Been Framed (IRE)
    Their pos
    3
    Won on
    31 Mar 12
    Race won
    Still Treble Odds On Lucky 15 Handicap Chase
  • PU/1126 Feb 12 · Towcester

    angliadogs.co.uk Novices' Handicap Chase

    All fields
    Date
    26 Feb 12
    Course
    Towcester
    Race
    angliadogs.co.uk Novices' Handicap Chase
    This horse
    PU/11
    Winner next time
    Fennis Boy (IRE)
    Their pos
    4
    Won on
    8 Jul 12
    Race won
    Get Well Soon Derek Thompson Beginners' Chase
  • 3/712 Jan 12 · Fontwell

    Horton's Steam Fair Handicap Chase

    All fields
    Date
    12 Jan 12
    Course
    Fontwell
    Race
    Horton's Steam Fair Handicap Chase
    This horse
    3/7
    Winner next time
    Marodima (FR)
    Their pos
    1
    Won on
    14 Jan 12
    Race won
    Betfred The Bonus King Handicap Chase (for the Edward Courage Cup)
  • 7/715 Dec 11 · Exeter

    South-West Racing Club Handicap Hurdle

    All fields
    Date
    15 Dec 11
    Course
    Exeter
    Race
    South-West Racing Club Handicap Hurdle
    This horse
    7/7
    Winner next time
    Drumshambo (USA)
    Their pos
    2
    Won on
    30 Dec 11
    Race won
    Steve Logan Memorial County Contractors Handicap Hurdle
  • 7/715 Dec 11 · Exeter

    South-West Racing Club Handicap Hurdle

    All fields
    Date
    15 Dec 11
    Course
    Exeter
    Race
    South-West Racing Club Handicap Hurdle
    This horse
    7/7
    Winner next time
    All The Winds (GER)
    Their pos
    6
    Won on
    29 Dec 11
    At
    Kempton (AW)
    Race won
    Book Your 2012 Wedding At Kempton Park Handicap
  • 2/830 May 11 · Towcester

    gg.Com Novices' Hurdle

    All fields
    Date
    30 May 11
    Course
    Towcester
    Race
    gg.Com Novices' Hurdle
    This horse
    2/8
    Winner next time
    Halucha (IRE)
    Their pos
    3
    Won on
    5 Oct 11
    At
    Towcester
    Race won
    Bhest Racing To School "National Hunt" Novices' Handicap Hurdle
  • 4/117 Jan 11 · Fontwell

    Hardings Catering Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race

    All fields
    Date
    7 Jan 11
    Course
    Fontwell
    Race
    Hardings Catering Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
    This horse
    4/11
    Winner next time
    Arbeo (IRE)
    Their pos
    1
    Won on
    2 Mar 11
    At
    Folkestone
    Race won
    Wood-Mizer Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

TrainerMoved fromFirst runLast runFirst run for yardOR first runOR last runBest ORRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Seamus MullinsHughie Morrison7 Jan 1122 May 124/11116112117131127.7%23.1%£3,545€0
Hughie Morrison-10 Feb 1010 Feb 101/10---1100100.0%100.0%£2,602€0
Seamus Mullins
Moved from
Hughie Morrison
First run
7 Jan 11
Last run
22 May 12
First run for yard
4/11
OR first run
116
OR last run
112
Best OR
117
Runs
13
Wins
1
2nd
1
3rd
2
Win %
7.7%
Place %
23.1%
Prize GB (£)
£3,545
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Hughie Morrison
First run
10 Feb 10
Last run
10 Feb 10
First run for yard
1/10
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,602
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Spells with each trainer in race order, latest first (a horse that returns to a trainer shows a new spell). From British and Irish runs since 1990.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

CodeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)Best ORFirst runLast run
National Hunt1421214.3%28.6%£6,147€011710 Feb 1022 May 12
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Runs
14
Wins
2
2nd
1
3rd
2
Win %
14.3%
Place %
28.6%
Prize GB (£)
£6,147
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Best OR
117
First run
10 Feb 10
Last run
22 May 12

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

By race type

Race typeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Hurdle711014.3%28.6%£2,716€0
Chase50020.0%20.0%£830€0
NH Flat210050.0%50.0%£2,602€0
Hurdle
Race type
Hurdle
Runs
7
Wins
1
2nd
1
3rd
0
Win %
14.3%
Place %
28.6%
Prize GB (£)
£2,716
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Chase
Race type
Chase
Runs
5
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
2
Win %
0.0%
Place %
20.0%
Prize GB (£)
£830
Prize IRE (€)
€0
NH Flat
Race type
NH Flat
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,602
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By going

GoingRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Good to Firm10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Good511020.0%40.0%£2,716€0
Good to Soft20010.0%50.0%£382€0
Soft30010.0%0.0%£448€0
Heavy20000.0%0.0%£0€0
Standard1100100.0%100.0%£2,602€0
Good to Firm
Going
Good to Firm
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Good
Going
Good
Runs
5
Wins
1
2nd
1
3rd
0
Win %
20.0%
Place %
40.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,716
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Good to Soft
Going
Good to Soft
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£382
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Soft
Going
Soft
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£448
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Heavy
Going
Heavy
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Standard
Going
Standard
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,602
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By distance

DistanceRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
2m to 2m1f420050.0%50.0%£4,554€0
2m2f to 2m5f90120.0%22.2%£1,594€0
2m6f to 3m1f10000.0%0.0%£0€0
2m to 2m1f
Distance
2m to 2m1f
Runs
4
Wins
2
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£4,554
Prize IRE (€)
€0
2m2f to 2m5f
Distance
2m2f to 2m5f
Runs
9
Wins
0
2nd
1
3rd
2
Win %
0.0%
Place %
22.2%
Prize GB (£)
£1,594
Prize IRE (€)
€0
2m6f to 3m1f
Distance
2m6f to 3m1f
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Flat bands: 5f-6f, 7f-1m, 9f-11f, 12f-13f, 14f+. NH bands: 2m-2m1f, 2m2f-2m5f, 2m6f-3m1f, 3m2f+.

By course

CourseRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Towcester50110.0%40.0%£1,146€0
Fontwell40010.0%0.0%£448€0
Chepstow1100100.0%100.0%£1,952€0
Southwell (AW)1100100.0%100.0%£2,602€0
Exeter10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Hereford10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Kempton10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Towcester
Course
Towcester
Runs
5
Wins
0
2nd
1
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
40.0%
Prize GB (£)
£1,146
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Fontwell
Course
Fontwell
Runs
4
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£448
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Chepstow
Course
Chepstow
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£1,952
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Southwell (AW)
Course
Southwell (AW)
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,602
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Exeter
Course
Exeter
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Hereford
Course
Hereford
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Kempton
Course
Kempton
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By class

ClassRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Class 310000.0%0.0%£0€0
Class 4111129.1%27.3%£4,196€0
Class 51100100.0%100.0%£1,952€0
Class 610000.0%0.0%£0€0
Class 3
Class
Class 3
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Class 4
Class
Class 4
Runs
11
Wins
1
2nd
1
3rd
2
Win %
9.1%
Place %
27.3%
Prize GB (£)
£4,196
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Class 5
Class
Class 5
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£1,952
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Class 6
Class
Class 6
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Pattern (Group/Grade/Listed) shown ahead of class. Irish races carry no class, so they are grouped as handicap or non-handicap.

By field size

RunnersRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
6 to 8 runners60120.0%33.3%£1,594€0
2 to 5 runners10000.0%0.0%£0€0
9 to 12 runners620033.3%33.3%£4,554€0
13 to 16 runners10000.0%0.0%£0€0
6 to 8 runners
Runners
6 to 8 runners
Runs
6
Wins
0
2nd
1
3rd
2
Win %
0.0%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£1,594
Prize IRE (€)
€0
2 to 5 runners
Runners
2 to 5 runners
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
9 to 12 runners
Runners
9 to 12 runners
Runs
6
Wins
2
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
33.3%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£4,554
Prize IRE (€)
€0
13 to 16 runners
Runners
13 to 16 runners
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By month

MonthRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
January30010.0%0.0%£448€0
February210050.0%50.0%£2,602€0
March30010.0%33.3%£382€0
April1100100.0%100.0%£1,952€0
May20100.0%50.0%£764€0
November10000.0%0.0%£0€0
December20000.0%0.0%£0€0
January
Month
January
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£448
Prize IRE (€)
€0
February
Month
February
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,602
Prize IRE (€)
€0
March
Month
March
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£382
Prize IRE (€)
€0
April
Month
April
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£1,952
Prize IRE (€)
€0
May
Month
May
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
1
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£764
Prize IRE (€)
€0
November
Month
November
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
December
Month
December
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By jockey

JockeyRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Andrew Thornton711114.3%42.9%£3,097€0
Dougie Costello1100100.0%100.0%£2,602€0
Barry Keniry10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Danny Mullins10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Miss C L Brown10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Mr Darren O'Keeffe10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Noel Fehily10010.0%0.0%£448€0
Wayne Kavanagh10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Andrew Thornton
Runs
7
Wins
1
2nd
1
3rd
1
Win %
14.3%
Place %
42.9%
Prize GB (£)
£3,097
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Dougie Costello
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,602
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Barry Keniry
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Danny Mullins
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Miss C L Brown
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Mr Darren O'Keeffe
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Noel Fehily
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£448
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Wayne Kavanagh
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By trainer

TrainerRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Seamus Mullins131127.7%23.1%£3,545€0
Hughie Morrison1100100.0%100.0%£2,602€0
Seamus Mullins
Runs
13
Wins
1
2nd
1
3rd
2
Win %
7.7%
Place %
23.1%
Prize GB (£)
£3,545
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Hughie Morrison
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,602
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By headgear

HeadgearRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
No headgear1321215.4%30.8%£6,147€0
v10000.0%0.0%£0€0
No headgear
Headgear
No headgear
Runs
13
Wins
2
2nd
1
3rd
2
Win %
15.4%
Place %
30.8%
Prize GB (£)
£6,147
Prize IRE (€)
€0
v
Headgear
v
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Headgear codes as declared: b blinkers, v visor, p cheekpieces, t tongue strap, h hood, e/s eyeshield.

By days since last run

Days since last runRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Debut / no previous run1100100.0%100.0%£2,602€0
1 to 7 days10000.0%0.0%£0€0
8 to 14 days10000.0%0.0%£0€0
15 to 30 days410225.0%50.0%£2,781€0
31 to 60 days40100.0%25.0%£764€0
61 to 120 days10000.0%0.0%£0€0
121 to 365 days20000.0%0.0%£0€0
Debut / no previous run
Days since last run
Debut / no previous run
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,602
Prize IRE (€)
€0
1 to 7 days
Days since last run
1 to 7 days
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
8 to 14 days
Days since last run
8 to 14 days
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
15 to 30 days
Days since last run
15 to 30 days
Runs
4
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
2
Win %
25.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,781
Prize IRE (€)
€0
31 to 60 days
Days since last run
31 to 60 days
Runs
4
Wins
0
2nd
1
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
25.0%
Prize GB (£)
£764
Prize IRE (€)
€0
61 to 120 days
Days since last run
61 to 120 days
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
121 to 365 days
Days since last run
121 to 365 days
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Counted from the previous run in Britain or Ireland; runs abroad are not seen.

By first-time headgear

HeadgearRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
First time in any headgear10000.0%0.0%£0€0
First time visor10000.0%0.0%£0€0
No headgear1321215.4%30.8%£6,147€0
First time in any headgear
Headgear
First time in any headgear
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
First time visor
Headgear
First time visor
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
No headgear
Headgear
No headgear
Runs
13
Wins
2
2nd
1
3rd
2
Win %
15.4%
Place %
30.8%
Prize GB (£)
£6,147
Prize IRE (€)
€0

A run can count in more than one "first time" row (e.g. first-time blinkers and first headgear of any kind). First time is judged against earlier British and Irish runs only.

Pedigree

Pedigree

Sire branchWhere Or When (IRE)

Parent · 1

  1. SireWhere Or When (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Sire's sireDanehill Dancer (IRE)
  2. Sire's damFuture Past (USA)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Sire's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's sire's damNot traced
  3. Sire's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchCugina (GB)

Parent · 1

  1. DamCugina (GB)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Dam's sireDistant Relative (GB)
  2. Dam's damIndubitable (GB)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Dam's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Dam's sire's damNot traced
  3. Dam's dam's sireSharpo (GB)
  4. Dam's dam's damNot traced
Where Or When (IRE)
Cugina (GB)
Danehill Dancer (IRE)
Future Past (USA)
Distant Relative (GB)
Indubitable (GB)
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Sharpo (GB)
Not traced

Breeding card

HorseThere And Then (GB)
Sexgelding
Foaled2006
SireWhere Or When (IRE)
DamCugina (GB)
DamsireDistant Relative (GB)
Sire's sireDanehill Dancer (IRE)
Sire's damFuture Past (USA)
2nd damIndubitable (GB)
2nd dam's sireSharpo (GB)
Dam's produce2 winners from 9 runners
Notable siblingCugina Nicola (GB)

Female line

  1. Cugina (GB) · by Distant Relative (GB) · 2 winners from 9 runners
  2. Indubitable (GB) · by Sharpo (GB) · 3 winners from 10 runners
  3. Veracious I (GB) · 0 winners from 2 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

SireDamDamsireSexSire's avg winning distanceDamsire's avg winning distance
Where Or When (IRE)Cugina (GB)Distant Relative (GB)geldingFlat 10.2f · NH 2m1½fFlat 7.0f · NH 2m2f
Where Or When (IRE)
Sex
gelding
Sire's avg winning distance
Flat 10.2f · NH 2m1½f
Damsire's avg winning distance
Flat 7.0f · NH 2m2f

Progeny of Where Or When (IRE) in this horse's best conditions

ConditionRunsWinsPlacedWin %Place %This horse runsThis horse wins
All National Hunt runs498391037.8%20.7%142
At 2m to 2m1f29526738.8%24.7%42
On Good going18118389.9%21.0%51
At 2m to 2m1f on Good going1018237.9%22.8%21
All National Hunt runs
Condition
All National Hunt runs
Runs
498
Wins
39
Placed
103
Win %
7.8%
Place %
20.7%
This horse runs
14
This horse wins
2
At 2m to 2m1f
Condition
At 2m to 2m1f
Runs
295
Wins
26
Placed
73
Win %
8.8%
Place %
24.7%
This horse runs
4
This horse wins
2
On Good going
Condition
On Good going
Runs
181
Wins
18
Placed
38
Win %
9.9%
Place %
21.0%
This horse runs
5
This horse wins
1
At 2m to 2m1f on Good going
Condition
At 2m to 2m1f on Good going
Runs
101
Wins
8
Placed
23
Win %
7.9%
Place %
22.8%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
1

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Where Or When (IRE) × Distant Relative mares (the cross)

CodeRunnersWinnersWinners %Black-type winnersRunsWins2nd/3rdWin %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
National Hunt11100.0%0142314.3%£6,147€0
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Runners
1
Winners
1
Winners %
100.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
14
Wins
2
2nd/3rd
3
Win %
14.3%
Prize GB (£)
£6,147
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.

Best of the cross

HorseRunsWinsBlack-type winsPrize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
There And Then (GB)1420£6,147€0
There And Then (GB)
Runs
14
Wins
2
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£6,147
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Ratings

Official ratings

CodeCurrent ORHighest ORLowest ORRated runs
National Hunt1121171058
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Current OR
112
Highest OR
117
Lowest OR
105
Rated runs
8

Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.

Official rating by run

DateCourseCodeORChangePos
22 May 12TowcesterNH112712/12
22 Mar 12FontwellNH10505/6
15 Mar 12TowcesterNH105-73/8
26 Feb 12TowcesterNH112-3PU/11
12 Jan 12FontwellNH115-23/7
15 Dec 11ExeterNH11707/7
3 Nov 11TowcesterNH11717/8
30 May 11TowcesterNH116-2/8
  • 12/1222 May 12 · Towcester
    All fields
    Date
    22 May 12
    Course
    Towcester
    Code
    NH
    OR
    112
    Change
    7
    Pos
    12/12
  • 5/622 Mar 12 · Fontwell
    All fields
    Date
    22 Mar 12
    Course
    Fontwell
    Code
    NH
    OR
    105
    Change
    0
    Pos
    5/6
  • 3/815 Mar 12 · Towcester
    All fields
    Date
    15 Mar 12
    Course
    Towcester
    Code
    NH
    OR
    105
    Change
    -7
    Pos
    3/8
  • PU/1126 Feb 12 · Towcester
    All fields
    Date
    26 Feb 12
    Course
    Towcester
    Code
    NH
    OR
    112
    Change
    -3
    Pos
    PU/11
  • 3/712 Jan 12 · Fontwell
    All fields
    Date
    12 Jan 12
    Course
    Fontwell
    Code
    NH
    OR
    115
    Change
    -2
    Pos
    3/7
  • 7/715 Dec 11 · Exeter
    All fields
    Date
    15 Dec 11
    Course
    Exeter
    Code
    NH
    OR
    117
    Change
    0
    Pos
    7/7
  • 7/83 Nov 11 · Towcester
    All fields
    Date
    3 Nov 11
    Course
    Towcester
    Code
    NH
    OR
    117
    Change
    1
    Pos
    7/8
  • 2/830 May 11 · Towcester
    All fields
    Date
    30 May 11
    Course
    Towcester
    Code
    NH
    OR
    116
    Change
    -
    Pos
    2/8

Current mark v winning marks

CodeCurrent OROR last runChangeHighest ORv highest
National Hunt1121120117-5
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Current OR
112
OR last run
112
Change
0
Highest OR
117
v highest
-5

Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.

Family

Dam summary

Cugina (GB)

G1 winners
0
Produce
2 winners from 9 runners

Full siblings

No other foal by Where Or When (IRE) out of Cugina (GB) has raced in Britain or Ireland.

Half siblings

By Nicolotte (GB)

By Groom Dancer (USA)

By Medicean (GB)

By Observatory (USA)

By Sakhee (USA)

By Compton Place (GB)

By Sakhee's Secret (GB)

Female line

  1. 1Cugina (GB) · by Distant Relative (GB)
  2. 2Indubitable (GB) · by Sharpo (GB)
  3. 3Veracious I (GB)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

View full Veracious I family

In brief

When was There And Then foaled?

There And Then (GB) was foaled in 2006.

Who are the sire and dam of There And Then?

There And Then (GB) is by Where Or When (IRE) out of Cugina (GB), a daughter of Distant Relative (GB).

Who trained There And Then?

There And Then (GB) was trained by Seamus Mullins and owned by Miss Charlie Brown at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland, having also run for Hughie Morrison.

What is There And Then's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, There And Then (GB) won 2 of 14 races (14%).

What is There And Then's biggest win?

There And Then (GB)'s biggest win in Britain or Ireland came in the Come Summer Jumping At Southwell "Junior" Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race at Southwell (AW) on 10 February 2010.

Has There And Then ever been beaten?

There And Then (GB) was beaten 12 times in 14 runs in Britain and Ireland, the first time on 7 January 2011 at Fontwell (4th of 11).

What was There And Then's official rating?

There And Then (GB) was last officially rated 112 over jumps (career high 117).

Is There And Then still racing?

There And Then (GB) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 22 May 2012 at Towcester in the Betfair Sponsors The Stable Staff Canteen Handicap Hurdle, finishing 12th of 12, and has not run there since.

What is There And Then's record at Towcester?

There And Then (GB) ran most often at Towcester, with no wins from 5 runs there.

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