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Horse profile
Presuming
- TrainerJohn Gosden
- OwnerGeorge Strawbridge
- FamilyD'Azy
- Sex
- filly
- Foaled
- 1998
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 0 wins from 2 runs (0%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- £0
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 9 Jul 2001, Windsor (6/12)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- Never won
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Btn | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Days | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 9 Jul 01 | Windsor | 6/12 | 14/1 | 13½ | Robert Havlin | John Gosden | sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D | Class 4 | Flat Turf | 1m | Good to Firm | 8-11 | Intrepidous (GB) | £4,300 | 242 | 4/10 |
| 9 Nov 00 | Lingfield (AW) | 7/9 | 13/8 | 5½ | Robert Havlin | John Gosden | European Breeders Fund Wye Maiden Stakes (Div I) | Class 4 | Flat AW | 1m | Standard | 8-9 | Lizzey Letti (GB) | £2,327 | - | 1/8 |
sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
Class 41mGood to Firm
All fields
- Date
- 9 Jul 01
- Course
- Windsor
- Pos
- 6/12
- SP
- 14/1
- Btn
- 13½
- Jockey
- Robert Havlin
- Trainer
- John Gosden
- Race
- sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Flat Turf
- Dist
- 1m
- Going
- Good to Firm
- Wgt
- 8-11
- Winner / 2nd
- Intrepidous (GB)
- Winner prize
- £4,300
- Days
- 242
- Future form
- 4/10
- 7/99 Nov 00 · Lingfield (AW)13/8
European Breeders Fund Wye Maiden Stakes (Div I)
Class 41mStandard
All fields
- Date
- 9 Nov 00
- Course
- Lingfield (AW)
- Pos
- 7/9
- SP
- 13/8
- Btn
- 5½
- Jockey
- Robert Havlin
- Trainer
- John Gosden
- Race
- European Breeders Fund Wye Maiden Stakes (Div I)
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Flat AW
- Dist
- 1m
- Going
- Standard
- Wgt
- 8-9
- Winner / 2nd
- Lizzey Letti (GB)
- Winner prize
- £2,327
- Days
- -
- Future form
- 1/8
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races
| Date | Course | Race | This horse | Winner next time | Their pos | Won on | At | Race won |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 9 Jul 01 | Windsor | sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D | 6/12 | Panna (GB) | 2 | 27 Jul 01 | Ascot | October Club Charity Handicap Class C |
| 9 Jul 01 | Windsor | sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D | 6/12 | Saaryeh (GB) | 3 | 29 Jul 01 | Ascot | Year Of The Snake Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D |
| 9 Jul 01 | Windsor | sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D | 6/12 | Coyote (GB) | 4 | 3 Aug 01 | Ayr | Usher Walker Maiden Stakes Class D |
| 9 Jul 01 | Windsor | sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D | 6/12 | Stylish Clare (IRE) | 10 | 23 Jul 01 | Windsor | Independent Newspaper Handicap Class E |
| 9 Nov 00 | Lingfield (AW) | European Breeders Fund Wye Maiden Stakes (Div I) | 7/9 | Twilight Haze (GB) | 2 | 27 Mar 01 | Wolverhampton (AW) | Henry Royce Maiden Stakes Class D |
- 6/129 Jul 01 · Windsor
sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
All fields
- Date
- 9 Jul 01
- Course
- Windsor
- Race
- sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- This horse
- 6/12
- Winner next time
- Panna (GB)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 27 Jul 01
- At
- Ascot
- Race won
- October Club Charity Handicap Class C
- 6/129 Jul 01 · Windsor
sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
All fields
- Date
- 9 Jul 01
- Course
- Windsor
- Race
- sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- This horse
- 6/12
- Winner next time
- Saaryeh (GB)
- Their pos
- 3
- Won on
- 29 Jul 01
- At
- Ascot
- Race won
- Year Of The Snake Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- 6/129 Jul 01 · Windsor
sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
All fields
- Date
- 9 Jul 01
- Course
- Windsor
- Race
- sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- This horse
- 6/12
- Winner next time
- Coyote (GB)
- Their pos
- 4
- Won on
- 3 Aug 01
- At
- Ayr
- Race won
- Usher Walker Maiden Stakes Class D
- 6/129 Jul 01 · Windsor
sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
All fields
- Date
- 9 Jul 01
- Course
- Windsor
- Race
- sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D
- This horse
- 6/12
- Winner next time
- Stylish Clare (IRE)
- Their pos
- 10
- Won on
- 23 Jul 01
- At
- Windsor
- Race won
- Independent Newspaper Handicap Class E
- 7/99 Nov 00 · Lingfield (AW)
European Breeders Fund Wye Maiden Stakes (Div I)
All fields
- Date
- 9 Nov 00
- Course
- Lingfield (AW)
- Race
- European Breeders Fund Wye Maiden Stakes (Div I)
- This horse
- 7/9
- Winner next time
- Twilight Haze (GB)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 27 Mar 01
- At
- Wolverhampton (AW)
- Race won
- Henry Royce Maiden Stakes Class D
Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).
Trainer changes
| Trainer | First run | Last run | First run for yard | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| John Gosden | 9 Nov 00 | 9 Jul 01 | 7/9 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
John Gosden
- Trainer
- John Gosden
- First run
- 9 Nov 00
- Last run
- 9 Jul 01
- First run for yard
- 7/9
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | 9 Nov 00 | 9 Jul 01 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
- First run
- 9 Nov 00
- Last run
- 9 Jul 01
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchMtoto (GB)
Parent · 1
- SireMtoto (GB)
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's damNot traced
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchD'Azy (GB)
Parent · 1
- DamD'Azy (GB)
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sirePersian Bold (IRE)
- Dam's damNot traced
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sireNot traced
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
Breeding card
Female line
- D'Azy (GB) · 7 winners from 9 runners
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mtoto (GB) | D'Azy (GB) | Persian Bold (IRE) | filly | Flat 10.9f · NH 2m2½f | Flat 8.8f · NH 2m2½f |
Mtoto (GB)
- Sire
- Mtoto (GB)
- Dam
- D'Azy (GB)
- Damsire
- Persian Bold (IRE)
- Sex
- filly
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 10.9f · NH 2m2½f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- Flat 8.8f · NH 2m2½f
Progeny of Mtoto (GB) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All Flat runs | 3,907 | 382 | 1,009 | 2 | 0 | ||
| At 7f to 1m | 938 | 77 | 203 | 2 | 0 | ||
| On AW going | 761 | 69 | 180 | 1 | 0 | ||
| At 7f to 1m on AW going | 224 | 21 | 46 | 1 | 0 |
All Flat runs
- Condition
- All Flat runs
- Runs
- 3,907
- Wins
- 382
- Placed
- 1,009
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 2
- This horse wins
- 0
At 7f to 1m
- Condition
- At 7f to 1m
- Runs
- 938
- Wins
- 77
- Placed
- 203
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 2
- This horse wins
- 0
On AW going
- Condition
- On AW going
- Runs
- 761
- Wins
- 69
- Placed
- 180
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
At 7f to 1m on AW going
- Condition
- At 7f to 1m on AW going
- Runs
- 224
- Wins
- 21
- Placed
- 46
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Mtoto (GB) × Persian Bold mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 6 | 4 | 1 | 71 | 14 | 17 | £264,659 | €0 | ||
| National Hunt | 2 | 1 | 0 | 42 | 2 | 8 | £15,810 | €0 | ||
| All runs | 6 | 4 | 1 | 113 | 16 | 25 | £280,469 | €0 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runners
- 6
- Winners
- 4
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 1
- Runs
- 71
- Wins
- 14
- 2nd/3rd
- 17
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £264,659
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Runners
- 2
- Winners
- 1
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 0
- Runs
- 42
- Wins
- 2
- 2nd/3rd
- 8
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £15,810
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
All runs
- Code
- All runs
- Runners
- 6
- Winners
- 4
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 1
- Runs
- 113
- Wins
- 16
- 2nd/3rd
- 25
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £280,469
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
All British and Irish runners by this sire out of mares by this damsire, since 1990 (includes this horse). Black type = Group/Grade 1-3 or Listed winner.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Best win | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Presenting (GB) | 9 | 6 | 4 | Group/Grade 2 | £214,834 | €0 |
| Greenwich Village (GB) | 16 | 4 | 0 | - | £20,469 | €0 |
| Accepting (GB) | 57 | 4 | 0 | - | £34,291 | €0 |
| Flyoff (IRE) | 26 | 2 | 0 | - | £7,735 | €0 |
| Presuming (GB) | 2 | 0 | 0 | - | £0 | €0 |
| Introducing (GB) | 3 | 0 | 0 | - | £3,140 | €0 |
Presenting (GB)
- Horse
- Presenting (GB)
- Runs
- 9
- Wins
- 6
- Black-type wins
- 4
- Best win
- Group/Grade 2
- Prize GB (£)
- £214,834
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Greenwich Village (GB)
- Runs
- 16
- Wins
- 4
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £20,469
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Accepting (GB)
- Horse
- Accepting (GB)
- Runs
- 57
- Wins
- 4
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £34,291
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Flyoff (IRE)
- Horse
- Flyoff (IRE)
- Runs
- 26
- Wins
- 2
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £7,735
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Presuming (GB)
- Horse
- Presuming (GB)
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Introducing (GB)
- Horse
- Introducing (GB)
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £3,140
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 0
- Produce
- 7 winners from 9 runners
Full siblings
- Presenting (GB)6W · 9R · 4 black-type
- Introducing (GB)0W · 3R
- Accepting (GB)4W · 57R
- Greenwich Village (GB)4W · 16R
Half siblings
By Top Ville (IRE)
- Azilian (IRE)1W · 4R
By Old Vic (GB)
- Announcing (GB)2W · 18R
By Polish Precedent (USA)
- AnticipatingI (GB)4W · 31R
By Act One (GB)
- Rose Row (GB)4W · 22R
Female line
- 1D'Azy (GB)
Notable relatives
Full brother
- Presenting (GB)6W · 9R · 4 black-type
In brief
When was Presuming foaled?
Presuming (GB) was foaled in 1998.
Who are the sire and dam of Presuming?
Presuming (GB) is by Mtoto (GB) out of D'Azy (GB), a daughter of Persian Bold (IRE).
Who trained Presuming?
Presuming (GB) was trained by John Gosden and owned by George Strawbridge at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.
What is Presuming's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, Presuming (GB) ran 2 times without winning.
Is Presuming still racing?
Presuming (GB) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 9 July 2001 at Windsor in the sportinglife.com Maiden Fillies' Stakes Class D, finishing 6th of 12, and has not run there since.
Is Presuming related to any top horses?
Presuming (GB)'s black-type relatives in Britain and Ireland include Presenting (GB) (full brother, Group 2 winner), from the D'Azy (GB) family.
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