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Never Too Much (IRE) silks

Horse profile

Never Too Much

Johannesburg (USA) × Muskoka Dawn (USA) (Miswaki (USA))
Sex
gelding
Foaled
2010
Record (GB & IRE)
0 wins from 2 runs (0%)
Prize money (GB & IRE)
£0
Last run (GB & IRE)
9 Jul 2013, Wolverhampton (AW) (8/11)
Last win (GB & IRE)
Never won
Recent form
118

Form

Race record

DateCoursePosSPBtnJockeyTrainerRaceClassTypeDistGoingWgtWinner / 2ndWinner prizeDaysFuture form
9 Jul 13Wolverhampton (AW)8/11100/121½Ashley MorganChris WallDownload The BetVictor App Now Maiden Stakes (Div II)Class 5Flat AW1m1½fStandard9-0Spirit Rider (USA)£2,588221/10
17 Jun 13Windsor11/1566/118½Ashley MorganChris WallMWH Maiden StakesClass 5Flat Turf1m2fGood8-12Pomology (USA)£2,588-3/13
  • 8/119 Jul 13 · Wolverhampton (AW)100/1

    Download The BetVictor App Now Maiden Stakes (Div II)

    Class 51m1½fStandard

    All fields
    Date
    9 Jul 13
    Course
    Wolverhampton (AW)
    Pos
    8/11
    SP
    100/1
    Btn
    21½
    Trainer
    Chris Wall
    Race
    Download The BetVictor App Now Maiden Stakes (Div II)
    Class
    Class 5
    Type
    Flat AW
    Dist
    1m1½f
    Going
    Standard
    Wgt
    9-0
    Winner / 2nd
    Spirit Rider (USA)
    Winner prize
    £2,588
    Days
    22
    Future form
    1/10
  • 11/1517 Jun 13 · Windsor66/1

    MWH Maiden Stakes

    Class 51m2fGood

    All fields
    Date
    17 Jun 13
    Course
    Windsor
    Pos
    11/15
    SP
    66/1
    Btn
    18½
    Trainer
    Chris Wall
    Race
    MWH Maiden Stakes
    Class
    Class 5
    Type
    Flat Turf
    Dist
    1m2f
    Going
    Good
    Wgt
    8-12
    Winner / 2nd
    Pomology (USA)
    Winner prize
    £2,588
    Days
    -
    Future form
    3/13

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

DateCourseRaceThis horseWinner next timeTheir posWon onAtRace won
9 Jul 13Wolverhampton (AW)Download The BetVictor App Now Maiden Stakes (Div II)8/11Desert Revolution (GB)219 Jul 13HaydockLancashire Life Maiden Stakes
17 Jun 13WindsorMWH Maiden Stakes11/15Pomology (USA)116 Jul 13Kempton (AW)Open Championship 8 Places At BetVictor Handicap
17 Jun 13WindsorMWH Maiden Stakes11/15Zipp (IRE)25 Aug 13WindsorGood Luck Alex Maiden Stakes
17 Jun 13WindsorMWH Maiden Stakes11/15Ducab (IRE)329 Jun 13ChesterAlbert Square Chophouse Maiden Stakes
  • 8/119 Jul 13 · Wolverhampton (AW)

    Download The BetVictor App Now Maiden Stakes (Div II)

    All fields
    Date
    9 Jul 13
    Course
    Wolverhampton (AW)
    Race
    Download The BetVictor App Now Maiden Stakes (Div II)
    This horse
    8/11
    Winner next time
    Desert Revolution (GB)
    Their pos
    2
    Won on
    19 Jul 13
    Race won
    Lancashire Life Maiden Stakes
  • 11/1517 Jun 13 · Windsor

    MWH Maiden Stakes

    All fields
    Date
    17 Jun 13
    Course
    Windsor
    Race
    MWH Maiden Stakes
    This horse
    11/15
    Winner next time
    Pomology (USA)
    Their pos
    1
    Won on
    16 Jul 13
    At
    Kempton (AW)
    Race won
    Open Championship 8 Places At BetVictor Handicap
  • 11/1517 Jun 13 · Windsor

    MWH Maiden Stakes

    All fields
    Date
    17 Jun 13
    Course
    Windsor
    Race
    MWH Maiden Stakes
    This horse
    11/15
    Winner next time
    Zipp (IRE)
    Their pos
    2
    Won on
    5 Aug 13
    Race won
    Good Luck Alex Maiden Stakes
  • 11/1517 Jun 13 · Windsor

    MWH Maiden Stakes

    All fields
    Date
    17 Jun 13
    Course
    Windsor
    Race
    MWH Maiden Stakes
    This horse
    11/15
    Winner next time
    Ducab (IRE)
    Their pos
    3
    Won on
    29 Jun 13
    Race won
    Albert Square Chophouse Maiden Stakes

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

TrainerFirst runLast runFirst run for yardRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Chris Wall17 Jun 139 Jul 1311/1520000.0%0.0%£0€0
Chris Wall
Trainer
Chris Wall
First run
17 Jun 13
Last run
9 Jul 13
First run for yard
11/15
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

CodeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)First runLast run
Flat20000.0%0.0%£0€017 Jun 139 Jul 13
Flat
Code
Flat
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
First run
17 Jun 13
Last run
9 Jul 13

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

Pedigree

Pedigree

Sire branchJohannesburg (USA)

Parent · 1

  1. SireJohannesburg (USA)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Sire's sireHennessy (USA)
  2. Sire's damMyth (USA)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Sire's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's sire's damNot traced
  3. Sire's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchMuskoka Dawn (USA)

Parent · 1

  1. DamMuskoka Dawn (USA)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Dam's sireMiswaki (USA)
  2. Dam's damNot traced

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Dam's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Dam's sire's damNot traced
  3. Dam's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Dam's dam's damNot traced
Johannesburg (USA)
Muskoka Dawn (USA)
Hennessy (USA)
Myth (USA)
Miswaki (USA)
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced

Breeding card

HorseNever Too Much (IRE)
Sexgelding
Foaled2010
SireJohannesburg (USA)
DamMuskoka Dawn (USA)
DamsireMiswaki (USA)
Sire's sireHennessy (USA)
Sire's damMyth (USA)
Dam's produce2 winners from 5 runners
Notable siblingRonan's Bay (USA)

Female line

  1. Muskoka Dawn (USA) · 2 winners from 5 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

SireDamDamsireSexSire's avg winning distanceDamsire's avg winning distance
Johannesburg (USA)Muskoka Dawn (USA)Miswaki (USA)geldingFlat 7.8f · NH 2m½fFlat 8.5f · NH 2m2f
Johannesburg (USA)
Sex
gelding
Sire's avg winning distance
Flat 7.8f · NH 2m½f
Damsire's avg winning distance
Flat 8.5f · NH 2m2f

Progeny of Johannesburg (USA) in this horse's best conditions

ConditionRunsWinsPlacedWin %Place %This horse runsThis horse wins
All Flat runs2,3072276039.8%26.1%20
At 9f to 11f45437948.1%20.7%20
On Good going4745813612.2%28.7%10
At 9f to 11f on Good going785146.4%17.9%10
All Flat runs
Condition
All Flat runs
Runs
2,307
Wins
227
Placed
603
Win %
9.8%
Place %
26.1%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
0
At 9f to 11f
Condition
At 9f to 11f
Runs
454
Wins
37
Placed
94
Win %
8.1%
Place %
20.7%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
0
On Good going
Condition
On Good going
Runs
474
Wins
58
Placed
136
Win %
12.2%
Place %
28.7%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
0
At 9f to 11f on Good going
Condition
At 9f to 11f on Good going
Runs
78
Wins
5
Placed
14
Win %
6.4%
Place %
17.9%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
0

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Johannesburg (USA) × Miswaki mares (the cross)

CodeRunnersWinnersWinners %Black-type winnersRunsWins2nd/3rdWin %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Flat2150.0%081212.5%£0€16,930
Flat
Code
Flat
Runners
2
Winners
1
Winners %
50.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
8
Wins
1
2nd/3rd
2
Win %
12.5%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€16,930

Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.

Best of the cross

HorseRunsWinsBlack-type winsPrize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Ronan's Bay (USA)610£0€16,930
Never Too Much (IRE)200£0€0
Ronan's Bay (USA)
Runs
6
Wins
1
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€16,930
Never Too Much (IRE)
Runs
2
Wins
0
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Family

Dam summary

Muskoka Dawn (USA)

G1 winners
0
Produce
2 winners from 5 runners

Full siblings

Half siblings

By Duke Of Marmalade (IRE)

By Rip Van Winkle (IRE)

Female line

  1. 1Muskoka Dawn (USA)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

In brief

When was Never Too Much foaled?

Never Too Much (IRE) was foaled in 2010.

Who are the sire and dam of Never Too Much?

Never Too Much (IRE) is by Johannesburg (USA) out of Muskoka Dawn (USA), a daughter of Miswaki (USA).

Who trained Never Too Much?

Never Too Much (IRE) was trained by Chris Wall and owned by D S Lee at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is Never Too Much's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, Never Too Much (IRE) ran 2 times without winning.

Is Never Too Much still racing?

Never Too Much (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 9 July 2013 at Wolverhampton (AW) in the Download The BetVictor App Now Maiden Stakes, finishing 8th of 11, and has not run there since.

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