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Horse profile

Needs Further

Doyen (IRE) × My Linda (IRE) (Bob Back (USA))

TrainerTom George
OwnerPaul Clare Rooney

Sex: gelding
Foaled: 2013

Record (GB & IRE): 0 wins from 1 run (0%)
Prize money (GB & IRE): £0
Last run (GB & IRE): 9 Dec 2017, Chepstow (6/10)
Last win (GB & IRE): Never won

Recent form

Form

Race record

Date	Course	Pos	SP	Btn	Jockey	Trainer	Race	Class	Type	Dist	Going	Wgt	Headgear	Winner / 2nd	Winner prize	Future form
9 Dec 17	Chepstow	6/10	6/1	dist	Ciaran Gethings	Tom George	robertstephensracing.com Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race	Class 6	NH Flat	2m	Heavy	10-11	t	Dramatic Pause (IRE)	£1,949	0/9

6/109 Dec 17 · Chepstow6/1
robertstephensracing.com Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
Class 62mHeavy
All fields
Date
9 Dec 17
Course
Chepstow
Pos
6/10
SP
6/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Ciaran Gethings
Trainer
Tom George
Race
robertstephensracing.com Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
Class
Class 6
Type
NH Flat
Dist
2m
Going
Heavy
Wgt
10-11
Headgear
t
Winner / 2nd
Dramatic Pause (IRE)
Winner prize
£1,949
Future form
0/9

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Trainer changes

Trainer	First run	Last run	First run for yard	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Tom George	9 Dec 17	9 Dec 17	6/10	1	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Tom George

Trainer: Tom George
First run: 9 Dec 17
Last run: 9 Dec 17
First run for yard: 6/10
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

Code	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)	First run	Last run
National Hunt	1	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0	9 Dec 17	9 Dec 17

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0
First run: 9 Dec 17
Last run: 9 Dec 17

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

Pedigree

Sire branchDoyen (IRE)

Parent · 1

SireDoyen (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

Sire's sireSadler's Wells (USA)
Sire's damMoon Cactus (GB)

Great-grandparents · 4

Sire's sire's sireNot traced
Sire's sire's damNot traced
Sire's dam's sireNot traced
Sire's dam's damNot traced

Dam branchMy Linda (IRE)

Parent · 1

DamMy Linda (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

Dam's sireBob Back (USA)
Dam's damNot traced

Great-grandparents · 4

Dam's sire's sireNot traced
Dam's sire's damNot traced
Dam's dam's sireNot traced
Dam's dam's damNot traced

Doyen (IRE)

My Linda (IRE)

Sadler's Wells (USA)

Moon Cactus (GB)

Bob Back (USA)

Not traced

Breeding card

HorseNeeds Further (IRE)

Sexgelding

Foaled2013

SireDoyen (IRE)

DamMy Linda (IRE)

DamsireBob Back (USA)

Sire's sireSadler's Wells (USA)

Sire's damMoon Cactus (GB)

Dam's produce0 winners from 3 runners

Notable siblingSweettoothtommy (IRE)

Female line

My Linda (IRE) · 0 winners from 3 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

Sire	Dam	Damsire	Sex	Sire's avg winning distance	Damsire's avg winning distance
Doyen (IRE)	My Linda (IRE)	Bob Back (USA)	gelding	Flat 9.6f · NH 2m3f	Flat 10.3f · NH 2m4f

Doyen (IRE)

Sire: Doyen (IRE)
Dam: My Linda (IRE)
Damsire: Bob Back (USA)
Sex: gelding
Sire's avg winning distance: Flat 9.6f · NH 2m3f
Damsire's avg winning distance: Flat 10.3f · NH 2m4f

Progeny of Doyen (IRE) in this horse's best conditions

Condition	Runs	Wins	Placed	Win %	Place %	This horse runs
All National Hunt runs	5,705	676	1,633	11.8%	28.6%	1
At 2m to 2m1f	2,343	273	677	11.7%	28.9%	1
On Heavy going	502	50	123	10.0%	24.5%	1
At 2m to 2m1f on Heavy going	242	25	62	10.3%	25.6%	1

All National Hunt runs

Condition: All National Hunt runs
Runs: 5,705
Wins: 676
Placed: 1,633
Win %: 11.8%
Place %: 28.6%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

At 2m to 2m1f

Condition: At 2m to 2m1f
Runs: 2,343
Wins: 273
Placed: 677
Win %: 11.7%
Place %: 28.9%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

On Heavy going

Condition: On Heavy going
Runs: 502
Wins: 50
Placed: 123
Win %: 10.0%
Place %: 24.5%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

At 2m to 2m1f on Heavy going

Condition: At 2m to 2m1f on Heavy going
Runs: 242
Wins: 25
Placed: 62
Win %: 10.3%
Place %: 25.6%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Doyen (IRE) × Bob Back mares (the cross)

Code	Runners	Winners	Winners %	Black-type winners	Runs	Wins	2nd/3rd	Win %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
National Hunt	19	11	57.9%	1	302	40	75	13.2%	£409,372	€228,357

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Runners: 19
Winners: 11
Winners %: 57.9%
Black-type winners: 1
Runs: 302
Wins: 40
2nd/3rd: 75
Win %: 13.2%
Prize GB (£): £409,372
Prize IRE (€): €228,357

All British and Irish runners by this sire out of mares by this damsire, since 1990 (includes this horse). Black type = Group/Grade 1-3 or Listed winner.

Best of the cross

Horse	Runs	Wins	Black-type wins	Best win	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Doyen Quest (IRE)	24	9	1	Group/Grade 2	£195,477	€0
White Rhino (IRE)	18	7	0	-	£68,584	€0
Shopping Around (IRE)	19	4	0	-	£0	€31,455
Costanuci (IRE)	32	4	0	-	£0	€45,690
Motown Maggie (IRE)	22	3	0	-	£15,710	€35,345
Sit Down Lucy (IRE)	30	3	0	-	£0	€88,395
Annie Nail (IRE)	31	3	0	-	£29,013	€0
Harefield (IRE)	19	2	0	-	£17,313	€0
Rough Night (IRE)	21	2	0	-	£17,325	€3,393
Island Mahee (IRE)	24	2	0	-	£59,477	€6,510
Lunch In Adare (IRE)	16	1	0	-	£0	€15,684
Needs Further (IRE)	1	0	0	-	£0	€0

Doyen Quest (IRE)

Horse: Doyen Quest (IRE)
Runs: 24
Wins: 9
Black-type wins: 1
Best win: Group/Grade 2
Prize GB (£): £195,477
Prize IRE (€): €0

White Rhino (IRE)

Horse: White Rhino (IRE)
Runs: 18
Wins: 7
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £68,584
Prize IRE (€): €0

Shopping Around (IRE)

Horse: Shopping Around (IRE)
Runs: 19
Wins: 4
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €31,455

Costanuci (IRE)

Horse: Costanuci (IRE)
Runs: 32
Wins: 4
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €45,690

Motown Maggie (IRE)

Horse: Motown Maggie (IRE)
Runs: 22
Wins: 3
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £15,710
Prize IRE (€): €35,345

Sit Down Lucy (IRE)

Horse: Sit Down Lucy (IRE)
Runs: 30
Wins: 3
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €88,395

Annie Nail (IRE)

Horse: Annie Nail (IRE)
Runs: 31
Wins: 3
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £29,013
Prize IRE (€): €0

Harefield (IRE)

Horse: Harefield (IRE)
Runs: 19
Wins: 2
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £17,313
Prize IRE (€): €0

Rough Night (IRE)

Horse: Rough Night (IRE)
Runs: 21
Wins: 2
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £17,325
Prize IRE (€): €3,393

Island Mahee (IRE)

Horse: Island Mahee (IRE)
Runs: 24
Wins: 2
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £59,477
Prize IRE (€): €6,510

Lunch In Adare (IRE)

Horse: Lunch In Adare (IRE)
Runs: 16
Wins: 1
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €15,684

Needs Further (IRE)

Horse: Needs Further (IRE)
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Family

Dam summary

My Linda (IRE)

G1 winners: 0
Produce: 0 winners from 3 runners

Full siblings

No other foal by Doyen (IRE) out of My Linda (IRE) has raced in Britain or Ireland.

Half siblings

By Definite Article (GB)

Sweettoothtommy (IRE)0W · 11R

By Coroner (IRE)

Coroner's Report (IRE)0W · 8R

Female line

1My Linda (IRE)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

In brief

When was Needs Further foaled?

Needs Further (IRE) was foaled in 2013.

Who are the sire and dam of Needs Further?

Needs Further (IRE) is by Doyen (IRE) out of My Linda (IRE), a daughter of Bob Back (USA).

Who trained Needs Further?

Needs Further (IRE) was trained by Tom George and owned by Paul Clare Rooney at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is Needs Further's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, Needs Further (IRE) ran 1 time without winning.

Is Needs Further still racing?

Needs Further (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 9 December 2017 at Chepstow in the robertstephensracing.com Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race, finishing 6th of 10, and has not run there since.