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Horse profile

Illogical Hope

Fourstars Allstar (USA) × Queen Street (IRE) (King's Ride (IRE))

TrainerCharlie Longsdon
OwnerThe League Of Gentlemen

Sex: gelding
Foaled: 2002

Highest OR: 99
Record (GB & IRE): 2 wins from 12 runs (17%)
Prize money (GB & IRE): £7,735 GB
Last official rating: 93 (Jumps)
Last run (GB & IRE): 11 Oct 2009, Ffos Las (1/6)

Recent form

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Form

Race record

Date	Course	Pos	SP	Btn	Jockey	Trainer	Race	Class	Type	Dist	Going	Wgt	OR	Winner / 2nd	Winner prize	Days	Future form
11 Oct 09	Ffos Las	1/6	11/4	won 12	Sean Quinlan	Charlie Longsdon	Paul Berkley-Smith Steam Event Management Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Chase	Class 5	Chase	3m1½f	Good	11-11	93	Kavi (IRE)	£2,666	186	0/5
8 Apr 09	Hereford	1/11	40/1	won 2½	Sean Quinlan	Charlie Longsdon	freebets.co.uk Online Gambling Handicap Chase	Class 4	Chase	3m1f	Good	9-12	85	Terrible Tenant (GB)	£5,070	13	0/7
26 Mar 09	Hereford	6/7	20/1	dist	Joe Tizzard	Charlie Longsdon	bet365 Handicap Chase	Class 4	Chase	2m3f	Good to Firm	11-3	89	Phoenix Eye (GB)	£3,866	18	0/5
8 Mar 09	Market Rasen	6/11	40/1	dist	Tom Siddall	Charlie Longsdon	Book Tickets Online @marketrasenraces.co.uk Novices' Handicap Chase	Class 5	Chase	2m3f	Soft	11-12	94	Toulouse Express (IRE)	£2,927	11	0/9
25 Feb 09	Bangor-on-Dee	UR/10	25/1	-	Tom Siddall	Charlie Longsdon	Poethlyn Novices' Handicap Chase	Class 4	Chase	2m4½f	Good to Soft	10-6	94	Or D'Oudairies (FR)	£3,578	18	0/8
7 Feb 09	Kempton	7/10	66/1	dist	Tom Siddall	Charlie Longsdon	williamhill.com - Play Bingo Novices' Handicap Hurdle	Class 4	Hurdle	2m5f	Soft	11-6	99	Bally Conn (IRE)	£2,927	52	0/9
17 Dec 08	Bangor-on-Dee	11/15	100/1	dist	Sean Quinlan	Charlie Longsdon	Ruabon Mountain "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle	Class 4	Hurdle	2m½f	Soft	10-9	-	Son Of Flicka (GB)	£3,578	23	1/13
24 Nov 08	Ludlow	6/9	66/1	dist	Tom Siddall	Charlie Longsdon	European Breeders' Fund "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle	Class 4	Hurdle	2m5f	Good to Soft	10-12	-	Tragic Realm (GB)	£5,139	304	0/7
25 Jan 08	Newbury	12/13	100/1	dist	Warren Marston	D J Wintle	SFC Group.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)	Class 4	Hurdle	2m½f	Soft	11-4	-	Crescent Island (IRE)	£2,765	15	2/12
10 Jan 08	Hereford	7/12	80/1	dist	Gerard Tumelty	D J Wintle	bet365 Best Odds On Every Maiden National Hunt Flat Race (Conditional Jockeys…	Class 6	NH Flat	2m	Soft	11-1	-	Definite Edge (IRE)	£1,370	15	0/9
26 Dec 07	Towcester	8/12	8/1	dist	Warren Marston	D J Wintle	gg.com Tipzone Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race (Div I)	Class 5	NH Flat	2m	Soft	11-0	-	Black Ven (IRE)	£1,952	32	0/11
24 Nov 07	Haydock	13/17	33/1	dist	Tony Evans	D J Wintle	Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon Newcomers' Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race	Class 4	NH Flat	1m7½f	Soft	11-8	-	Queen Poline (FR)	£3,253	-	2/15

1/611 Oct 09 · Ffos Las11/4
Paul Berkley-Smith Steam Event Management Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Chase
Class 53m1½fGood
All fields
Date
11 Oct 09
Course
Ffos Las
Pos
1/6
SP
11/4
Btn
won 12
Jockey
Sean Quinlan
Trainer
Charlie Longsdon
Race
Paul Berkley-Smith Steam Event Management Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Chase
Class
Class 5
Type
Chase
Dist
3m1½f
Going
Good
Wgt
11-11
OR
93
Winner / 2nd
Kavi (IRE)
Winner prize
£2,666
Days
186
Future form
0/5
1/118 Apr 09 · Hereford40/1
freebets.co.uk Online Gambling Handicap Chase
Class 43m1fGood
All fields
Date
8 Apr 09
Course
Hereford
Pos
1/11
SP
40/1
Btn
won 2½
Jockey
Sean Quinlan
Trainer
Charlie Longsdon
Race
freebets.co.uk Online Gambling Handicap Chase
Class
Class 4
Type
Chase
Dist
3m1f
Going
Good
Wgt
9-12
OR
85
Winner / 2nd
Terrible Tenant (GB)
Winner prize
£5,070
Days
13
Future form
0/7
6/726 Mar 09 · Hereford20/1
bet365 Handicap Chase
Class 42m3fGood to Firm
All fields
Date
26 Mar 09
Course
Hereford
Pos
6/7
SP
20/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Joe Tizzard
Trainer
Charlie Longsdon
Race
bet365 Handicap Chase
Class
Class 4
Type
Chase
Dist
2m3f
Going
Good to Firm
Wgt
11-3
OR
89
Winner / 2nd
Phoenix Eye (GB)
Winner prize
£3,866
Days
18
Future form
0/5
6/118 Mar 09 · Market Rasen40/1
Book Tickets Online @marketrasenraces.co.uk Novices' Handicap Chase
Class 52m3fSoft
All fields
Date
8 Mar 09
Course
Market Rasen
Pos
6/11
SP
40/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Tom Siddall
Trainer
Charlie Longsdon
Race
Book Tickets Online @marketrasenraces.co.uk Novices' Handicap Chase
Class
Class 5
Type
Chase
Dist
2m3f
Going
Soft
Wgt
11-12
OR
94
Winner / 2nd
Toulouse Express (IRE)
Winner prize
£2,927
Days
11
Future form
0/9
UR/1025 Feb 09 · Bangor-on-Dee25/1
Poethlyn Novices' Handicap Chase
Class 42m4½fGood to Soft
All fields
Date
25 Feb 09
Course
Bangor-on-Dee
Pos
UR/10
SP
25/1
Btn
-
Jockey
Tom Siddall
Trainer
Charlie Longsdon
Race
Poethlyn Novices' Handicap Chase
Class
Class 4
Type
Chase
Dist
2m4½f
Going
Good to Soft
Wgt
10-6
OR
94
Winner / 2nd
Or D'Oudairies (FR)
Winner prize
£3,578
Days
18
Future form
0/8
7/107 Feb 09 · Kempton66/1
williamhill.com - Play Bingo Novices' Handicap Hurdle
Class 42m5fSoft
All fields
Date
7 Feb 09
Course
Kempton
Pos
7/10
SP
66/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Tom Siddall
Trainer
Charlie Longsdon
Race
williamhill.com - Play Bingo Novices' Handicap Hurdle
Class
Class 4
Type
Hurdle
Dist
2m5f
Going
Soft
Wgt
11-6
OR
99
Winner / 2nd
Bally Conn (IRE)
Winner prize
£2,927
Days
52
Future form
0/9
11/1517 Dec 08 · Bangor-on-Dee100/1
Ruabon Mountain "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
Class 42m½fSoft
All fields
Date
17 Dec 08
Course
Bangor-on-Dee
Pos
11/15
SP
100/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Sean Quinlan
Trainer
Charlie Longsdon
Race
Ruabon Mountain "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
Class
Class 4
Type
Hurdle
Dist
2m½f
Going
Soft
Wgt
10-9
OR
-
Winner / 2nd
Son Of Flicka (GB)
Winner prize
£3,578
Days
23
Future form
1/13
6/924 Nov 08 · Ludlow66/1
European Breeders' Fund "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
Class 42m5fGood to Soft
All fields
Date
24 Nov 08
Course
Ludlow
Pos
6/9
SP
66/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Tom Siddall
Trainer
Charlie Longsdon
Race
European Breeders' Fund "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
Class
Class 4
Type
Hurdle
Dist
2m5f
Going
Good to Soft
Wgt
10-12
OR
-
Winner / 2nd
Tragic Realm (GB)
Winner prize
£5,139
Days
304
Future form
0/7
12/1325 Jan 08 · Newbury100/1
SFC Group.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)
Class 42m½fSoft
All fields
Date
25 Jan 08
Course
Newbury
Pos
12/13
SP
100/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Warren Marston
Trainer
D J Wintle
Race
SFC Group.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)
Class
Class 4
Type
Hurdle
Dist
2m½f
Going
Soft
Wgt
11-4
OR
-
Winner / 2nd
Crescent Island (IRE)
Winner prize
£2,765
Days
15
Future form
2/12
7/1210 Jan 08 · Hereford80/1
bet365 Best Odds On Every Maiden National Hunt Flat Race (Conditional Jockeys…
Class 62mSoft
All fields
Date
10 Jan 08
Course
Hereford
Pos
7/12
SP
80/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Gerard Tumelty
Trainer
D J Wintle
Race
bet365 Best Odds On Every Maiden National Hunt Flat Race (Conditional Jockeys…
Class
Class 6
Type
NH Flat
Dist
2m
Going
Soft
Wgt
11-1
OR
-
Winner / 2nd
Definite Edge (IRE)
Winner prize
£1,370
Days
15
Future form
0/9
8/1226 Dec 07 · Towcester8/1
gg.com Tipzone Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race (Div I)
Class 52mSoft
All fields
Date
26 Dec 07
Course
Towcester
Pos
8/12
SP
8/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Warren Marston
Trainer
D J Wintle
Race
gg.com Tipzone Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race (Div I)
Class
Class 5
Type
NH Flat
Dist
2m
Going
Soft
Wgt
11-0
OR
-
Winner / 2nd
Black Ven (IRE)
Winner prize
£1,952
Days
32
Future form
0/11
13/1724 Nov 07 · Haydock33/1
Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon Newcomers' Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
Class 41m7½fSoft
All fields
Date
24 Nov 07
Course
Haydock
Pos
13/17
SP
33/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Tony Evans
Trainer
D J Wintle
Race
Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon Newcomers' Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
Class
Class 4
Type
NH Flat
Dist
1m7½f
Going
Soft
Wgt
11-8
OR
-
Winner / 2nd
Queen Poline (FR)
Winner prize
£3,253
Days
-
Future form
2/15

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

Date	Course	Race	This horse	Winner next time	Their pos	Won on	At	Race won
17 Dec 08	Bangor-on-Dee	Ruabon Mountain "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle	11/15	Fiendish Flame (IRE)	2	20 Jan 09	Sedgefield	Touchline Event Management "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)
25 Jan 08	Newbury	SFC Group.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)	12/13	Stripe Me Blue (GB)	2	16 Feb 08	Wincanton	Bathwick Tyres Yeovil Handicap Hurdle
25 Jan 08	Newbury	SFC Group.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)	12/13	Good Line (IRE)	10	17 Jul 08	Cartmel	Carlsberg Novices' Hurdle
24 Nov 07	Haydock	Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon Newcomers' Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race	13/17	Queen Poline (FR)	1	14 Feb 09	Uttoxeter	toteexacta Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
24 Nov 07	Haydock	Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon Newcomers' Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race	13/17	Lets Go Girls (GB)	2	11 Jan 08	Kelso	SIS "Junior" Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race

11/1517 Dec 08 · Bangor-on-Dee
Ruabon Mountain "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
All fields
Date
17 Dec 08
Course
Bangor-on-Dee
Race
Ruabon Mountain "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
This horse
11/15
Winner next time
Fiendish Flame (IRE)
Their pos
2
Won on
20 Jan 09
At
Sedgefield
Race won
Touchline Event Management "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)
12/1325 Jan 08 · Newbury
SFC Group.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)
All fields
Date
25 Jan 08
Course
Newbury
Race
SFC Group.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)
This horse
12/13
Winner next time
Stripe Me Blue (GB)
Their pos
2
Won on
16 Feb 08
At
Wincanton
Race won
Bathwick Tyres Yeovil Handicap Hurdle
12/1325 Jan 08 · Newbury
SFC Group.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)
All fields
Date
25 Jan 08
Course
Newbury
Race
SFC Group.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle (Div II)
This horse
12/13
Winner next time
Good Line (IRE)
Their pos
10
Won on
17 Jul 08
At
Cartmel
Race won
Carlsberg Novices' Hurdle
13/1724 Nov 07 · Haydock
Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon Newcomers' Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
Date
24 Nov 07
Course
Haydock
Race
Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon Newcomers' Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
This horse
13/17
Winner next time
Queen Poline (FR)
Their pos
1
Won on
14 Feb 09
At
Uttoxeter
Race won
toteexacta Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
13/1724 Nov 07 · Haydock
Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon Newcomers' Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
Date
24 Nov 07
Course
Haydock
Race
Forumites Of The Year Vote Soon Newcomers' Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
This horse
13/17
Winner next time
Lets Go Girls (GB)
Their pos
2
Won on
11 Jan 08
At
Kelso
Race won
SIS "Junior" Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

Trainer	Moved from	First run	Last run	First run for yard	OR first run	OR last run	Best OR	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Charlie Longsdon	D J Wintle	24 Nov 08	11 Oct 09	6/9	99	93	99	8	2	0	0	25.0%	25.0%	£7,735	€0
D J Wintle	-	24 Nov 07	25 Jan 08	13/17	-	-	-	4	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Charlie Longsdon

Trainer: Charlie Longsdon
Moved from: D J Wintle
First run: 24 Nov 08
Last run: 11 Oct 09
First run for yard: 6/9
OR first run: 99
OR last run: 93
Best OR: 99
Runs: 8
Wins: 2
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 25.0%
Place %: 25.0%
Prize GB (£): £7,735
Prize IRE (€): €0

D J Wintle

Trainer: D J Wintle
First run: 24 Nov 07
Last run: 25 Jan 08
First run for yard: 13/17
Runs: 4
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Spells with each trainer in race order, latest first (a horse that returns to a trainer shows a new spell). From British and Irish runs since 1990.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

Code	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)	Best OR	First run	Last run
National Hunt	12	2	0	0	16.7%	16.7%	£7,735	€0	99	24 Nov 07	11 Oct 09

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Runs: 12
Wins: 2
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 16.7%
Place %: 16.7%
Prize GB (£): £7,735
Prize IRE (€): €0
Best OR: 99
First run: 24 Nov 07
Last run: 11 Oct 09

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

By race type

Race type	Runs	Wins	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Hurdle	4	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Chase	5	2	40.0%	40.0%	£7,735	€0
NH Flat	3	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Hurdle

Race type: Hurdle
Runs: 4
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Chase

Race type: Chase
Runs: 5
Wins: 2
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 40.0%
Place %: 40.0%
Prize GB (£): £7,735
Prize IRE (€): €0

NH Flat

Race type: NH Flat
Runs: 3
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

By going

Going	Runs	Wins	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Good to Firm	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Good	2	2	100.0%	100.0%	£7,735	€0
Good to Soft	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Soft	7	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Good to Firm

Going: Good to Firm
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Good

Going: Good
Runs: 2
Wins: 2
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 100.0%
Place %: 100.0%
Prize GB (£): £7,735
Prize IRE (€): €0

Good to Soft

Going: Good to Soft
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Soft

Going: Soft
Runs: 7
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

By distance

Distance	Runs	Wins	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
2m to 2m1f	5	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
2m2f to 2m5f	5	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
2m6f to 3m1f	1	1	100.0%	100.0%	£5,070	€0
3m2f and over	1	1	100.0%	100.0%	£2,666	€0

2m to 2m1f

Distance: 2m to 2m1f
Runs: 5
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

2m2f to 2m5f

Distance: 2m2f to 2m5f
Runs: 5
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

2m6f to 3m1f

Distance: 2m6f to 3m1f
Runs: 1
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 100.0%
Place %: 100.0%
Prize GB (£): £5,070
Prize IRE (€): €0

3m2f and over

Distance: 3m2f and over
Runs: 1
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 100.0%
Place %: 100.0%
Prize GB (£): £2,666
Prize IRE (€): €0

Flat bands: 5f-6f, 7f-1m, 9f-11f, 12f-13f, 14f+. NH bands: 2m-2m1f, 2m2f-2m5f, 2m6f-3m1f, 3m2f+.

By course

Course	Runs	Wins	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Hereford	3	1	33.3%	33.3%	£5,070	€0
Bangor-on-Dee	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Ffos Las	1	1	100.0%	100.0%	£2,666	€0
Haydock	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Kempton	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Ludlow	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Market Rasen	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Newbury	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Towcester	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Hereford

Course: Hereford
Runs: 3
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 33.3%
Place %: 33.3%
Prize GB (£): £5,070
Prize IRE (€): €0

Bangor-on-Dee

Course: Bangor-on-Dee
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Ffos Las

Course: Ffos Las
Runs: 1
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 100.0%
Place %: 100.0%
Prize GB (£): £2,666
Prize IRE (€): €0

Haydock

Course: Haydock
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Kempton

Course: Kempton
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Ludlow

Course: Ludlow
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Market Rasen

Course: Market Rasen
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Newbury

Course: Newbury
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Towcester

Course: Towcester
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

By class

Class	Runs	Wins	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Class 4	8	1	12.5%	12.5%	£5,070	€0
Class 5	3	1	33.3%	33.3%	£2,666	€0
Class 6	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Class 4

Class: Class 4
Runs: 8
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 12.5%
Place %: 12.5%
Prize GB (£): £5,070
Prize IRE (€): €0

Class 5

Class: Class 5
Runs: 3
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 33.3%
Place %: 33.3%
Prize GB (£): £2,666
Prize IRE (€): €0

Class 6

Class: Class 6
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Pattern (Group/Grade/Listed) shown ahead of class. Irish races carry no class, so they are grouped as handicap or non-handicap.

By field size

Runners	Runs	Wins	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
6 to 8 runners	2	1	50.0%	50.0%	£2,666	€0
9 to 12 runners	7	1	14.3%	14.3%	£5,070	€0
13 to 16 runners	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
17+ runners	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

6 to 8 runners

Runners: 6 to 8 runners
Runs: 2
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 50.0%
Place %: 50.0%
Prize GB (£): £2,666
Prize IRE (€): €0

9 to 12 runners

Runners: 9 to 12 runners
Runs: 7
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 14.3%
Place %: 14.3%
Prize GB (£): £5,070
Prize IRE (€): €0

13 to 16 runners

Runners: 13 to 16 runners
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

17+ runners

Runners: 17+ runners
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

By month

Month	Runs	Wins	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
January	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
February	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
March	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
April	1	1	100.0%	100.0%	£5,070	€0
October	1	1	100.0%	100.0%	£2,666	€0
November	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
December	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

January

Month: January
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

February

Month: February
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

March

Month: March
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

April

Month: April
Runs: 1
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 100.0%
Place %: 100.0%
Prize GB (£): £5,070
Prize IRE (€): €0

October

Month: October
Runs: 1
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 100.0%
Place %: 100.0%
Prize GB (£): £2,666
Prize IRE (€): €0

November

Month: November
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

December

Month: December
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

By jockey

Jockey	Runs	Wins	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Tom Siddall	4	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Sean Quinlan	3	2	66.7%	66.7%	£7,735	€0
Warren Marston	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Gerard Tumelty	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Joe Tizzard	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
Tony Evans	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Tom Siddall

Jockey: Tom Siddall
Runs: 4
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Sean Quinlan

Jockey: Sean Quinlan
Runs: 3
Wins: 2
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 66.7%
Place %: 66.7%
Prize GB (£): £7,735
Prize IRE (€): €0

Warren Marston

Jockey: Warren Marston
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Gerard Tumelty

Jockey: Gerard Tumelty
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Joe Tizzard

Jockey: Joe Tizzard
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Tony Evans

Jockey: Tony Evans
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

By trainer

Trainer	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Charlie Longsdon	8	2	0	0	25.0%	25.0%	£7,735	€0
D J Wintle	4	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Charlie Longsdon

Trainer: Charlie Longsdon
Runs: 8
Wins: 2
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 25.0%
Place %: 25.0%
Prize GB (£): £7,735
Prize IRE (€): €0

D J Wintle

Trainer: D J Wintle
Runs: 4
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

By headgear

Headgear	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
No headgear	12	2	0	0	16.7%	16.7%	£7,735	€0

No headgear

Headgear: No headgear
Runs: 12
Wins: 2
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 16.7%
Place %: 16.7%
Prize GB (£): £7,735
Prize IRE (€): €0

Headgear codes as declared: b blinkers, v visor, p cheekpieces, t tongue strap, h hood, e/s eyeshield.

By days since last run

Days since last run	Runs	Wins	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Debut / no previous run	1	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
8 to 14 days	2	1	50.0%	50.0%	£5,070	€0
15 to 30 days	5	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
31 to 60 days	2	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0
121 to 365 days	2	1	50.0%	50.0%	£2,666	€0

Debut / no previous run

Days since last run: Debut / no previous run
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

8 to 14 days

Days since last run: 8 to 14 days
Runs: 2
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 50.0%
Place %: 50.0%
Prize GB (£): £5,070
Prize IRE (€): €0

15 to 30 days

Days since last run: 15 to 30 days
Runs: 5
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

31 to 60 days

Days since last run: 31 to 60 days
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

121 to 365 days

Days since last run: 121 to 365 days
Runs: 2
Wins: 1
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 50.0%
Place %: 50.0%
Prize GB (£): £2,666
Prize IRE (€): €0

Counted from the previous run in Britain or Ireland; runs abroad are not seen.

Pedigree

Sire branchFourstars Allstar (USA)

Parent · 1

SireFourstars Allstar (USA)

Grandparents · 2

Sire's sireCompliance (USA)
Sire's damBroadway Joan (USA)

Great-grandparents · 4

Sire's sire's sireNot traced
Sire's sire's damNot traced
Sire's dam's sireNot traced
Sire's dam's damNot traced

Dam branchQueen Street (IRE)

Parent · 1

DamQueen Street (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

Dam's sireKing's Ride (IRE)
Dam's damNot traced

Great-grandparents · 4

Dam's sire's sireNot traced
Dam's sire's damNot traced
Dam's dam's sireNot traced
Dam's dam's damNot traced

Fourstars Allstar (USA)

Queen Street (IRE)

Compliance (USA)

Broadway Joan (USA)

King's Ride (IRE)

Not traced

Breeding card

HorseIllogical Hope (IRE)

Sexgelding

Foaled2002

SireFourstars Allstar (USA)

DamQueen Street (IRE)

DamsireKing's Ride (IRE)

Sire's sireCompliance (USA)

Sire's damBroadway Joan (USA)

Dam's produce1 winners from 3 runners

Notable siblingWarmaster I (IRE)

Female line

Queen Street (IRE) · 1 winners from 3 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

Sire	Dam	Damsire	Sex	Sire's avg winning distance	Damsire's avg winning distance
Fourstars Allstar (USA)	Queen Street (IRE)	King's Ride (IRE)	gelding	Flat 12.0f · NH 2m4½f	Flat 14.5f · NH 2m4f

Fourstars Allstar (USA)

Sire: Fourstars Allstar (USA)
Dam: Queen Street (IRE)
Damsire: King's Ride (IRE)
Sex: gelding
Sire's avg winning distance: Flat 12.0f · NH 2m4½f
Damsire's avg winning distance: Flat 14.5f · NH 2m4f

Progeny of Fourstars Allstar (USA) in this horse's best conditions

Condition	Runs	Wins	Placed	Win %	Place %	This horse runs	This horse wins
All National Hunt runs	2,793	209	585	7.5%	20.9%	12	2
At 2m6f to 3m1f	657	58	157	8.8%	23.9%	1	1
On Good going	896	62	193	6.9%	21.5%	2	2
At 2m6f to 3m1f on Good going	234	18	59	7.7%	25.2%	1	1

All National Hunt runs

Condition: All National Hunt runs
Runs: 2,793
Wins: 209
Placed: 585
Win %: 7.5%
Place %: 20.9%
This horse runs: 12
This horse wins: 2

At 2m6f to 3m1f

Condition: At 2m6f to 3m1f
Runs: 657
Wins: 58
Placed: 157
Win %: 8.8%
Place %: 23.9%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 1

On Good going

Condition: On Good going
Runs: 896
Wins: 62
Placed: 193
Win %: 6.9%
Place %: 21.5%
This horse runs: 2
This horse wins: 2

At 2m6f to 3m1f on Good going

Condition: At 2m6f to 3m1f on Good going
Runs: 234
Wins: 18
Placed: 59
Win %: 7.7%
Place %: 25.2%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 1

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Fourstars Allstar (USA) × King's Ride mares (the cross)

Code	Runners	Winners	Winners %	Black-type winners	Runs	Wins	2nd/3rd	Win %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
National Hunt	3	2	66.7%	0	39	6	4	15.4%	£7,735	€44,688

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Runners: 3
Winners: 2
Winners %: 66.7%
Black-type winners: 0
Runs: 39
Wins: 6
2nd/3rd: 4
Win %: 15.4%
Prize GB (£): £7,735
Prize IRE (€): €44,688

Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.

Best of the cross

Horse	Runs	Wins	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Lorna's Star (IRE)	23	4	£0	€44,688
Illogical Hope (IRE)	12	2	£7,735	€0
Cathkin Lad (IRE)	4	0	£0	€0

Lorna's Star (IRE)

Horse: Lorna's Star (IRE)
Runs: 23
Wins: 4
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €44,688

Illogical Hope (IRE)

Horse: Illogical Hope (IRE)
Runs: 12
Wins: 2
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £7,735
Prize IRE (€): €0

Cathkin Lad (IRE)

Horse: Cathkin Lad (IRE)
Runs: 4
Wins: 0
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Ratings

Official ratings

Code	Current OR	Highest OR	Lowest OR	Last winning OR	Last win	Rated runs
National Hunt	93	99	85	93	11 Oct 09	6

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Current OR: 93
Highest OR: 99
Lowest OR: 85
Last winning OR: 93
Last win: 11 Oct 09
Rated runs: 6

Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.

Official rating by run

Date	Course	Code	OR	Change	Pos
11 Oct 09	Ffos Las	NH	93	8	1/6
8 Apr 09	Hereford	NH	85	-4	1/11
26 Mar 09	Hereford	NH	89	-5	6/7
8 Mar 09	Market Rasen	NH	94	0	6/11
25 Feb 09	Bangor-on-Dee	NH	94	-5	UR/10
7 Feb 09	Kempton	NH	99	-	7/10

1/611 Oct 09 · Ffos Las
All fields
Date
11 Oct 09
Course
Ffos Las
Code
NH
OR
93
Change
8
Pos
1/6
1/118 Apr 09 · Hereford
All fields
Date
8 Apr 09
Course
Hereford
Code
NH
OR
85
Change
-4
Pos
1/11
6/726 Mar 09 · Hereford
All fields
Date
26 Mar 09
Course
Hereford
Code
NH
OR
89
Change
-5
Pos
6/7
6/118 Mar 09 · Market Rasen
All fields
Date
8 Mar 09
Course
Market Rasen
Code
NH
OR
94
Change
0
Pos
6/11
UR/1025 Feb 09 · Bangor-on-Dee
All fields
Date
25 Feb 09
Course
Bangor-on-Dee
Code
NH
OR
94
Change
-5
Pos
UR/10
7/107 Feb 09 · Kempton
All fields
Date
7 Feb 09
Course
Kempton
Code
NH
OR
99
Change
-
Pos
7/10

Current mark v winning marks

Code	Current OR	OR last run	Change	Last winning OR	Last win	v last winning	Highest winning OR	v highest winning	Highest OR	v highest
National Hunt	93	93	0	93	11 Oct 09	0	93	0	99	-6

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Current OR: 93
OR last run: 93
Change: 0
Last winning OR: 93
Last win: 11 Oct 09
v last winning: 0
Highest winning OR: 93
v highest winning: 0
Highest OR: 99
v highest: -6

Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.

Family

Dam summary

Queen Street (IRE)

G1 winners: 0
Produce: 1 winners from 3 runners

Full siblings

No other foal by Fourstars Allstar (USA) out of Queen Street (IRE) has raced in Britain or Ireland.

Half siblings

By Definite Article (GB)

Warmaster I (IRE)0W · 4R

By Flemensfirth (USA)

Mood Swing (IRE)0W · 1R

Female line

1Queen Street (IRE)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

In brief

When was Illogical Hope foaled?

Illogical Hope (IRE) was foaled in 2002.

Who are the sire and dam of Illogical Hope?

Illogical Hope (IRE) is by Fourstars Allstar (USA) out of Queen Street (IRE), a daughter of King's Ride (IRE).

Who trained Illogical Hope?

Illogical Hope (IRE) was trained by Charlie Longsdon and owned by The League Of Gentlemen at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland, having also run for D J Wintle.

What is Illogical Hope's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, Illogical Hope (IRE) won 2 of 12 races (17%).

What is Illogical Hope's biggest win?

Illogical Hope (IRE)'s biggest win in Britain or Ireland came in the freebets.co.uk Online Gambling Handicap Chase at Hereford on 8 April 2009.

Has Illogical Hope ever been beaten?

Illogical Hope (IRE) was beaten 10 times in 12 runs in Britain and Ireland, the first time on 24 November 2007 at Haydock (13th of 17).

What was Illogical Hope's official rating?

Illogical Hope (IRE) was last officially rated 93 over jumps (career high 99).

Is Illogical Hope still racing?

Illogical Hope (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 11 October 2009 at Ffos Las in the Paul Berkley-Smith Steam Event Management Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Chase, finishing 1st of 6, and has not run there since.

What is Illogical Hope's record at Hereford?

Illogical Hope (IRE) ran most often at Hereford, with 1 win from 3 runs there.

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