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Horse profile
Don't Shout
- Sex
- gelding
- Foaled
- 2014
- Colour
- bay
- Highest OR
- 120
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 1 win from 10 runs (10%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- £6,776 GB
- Last official rating
- 113 (Jumps)
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 14 Aug 2021, Market Rasen (7/7)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- 15 Oct 2019, Hereford
Recent form
62311353PU77
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Btn | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | OR | Headgear | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Days | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 14 Aug 21 | Market Rasen | 7/7 | 5/1 | dist | Charlie Deutsch | Sam Thomas | Minster Group Handicap Hurdle | Class 4 | Hurdle | 2m7f | Good | 11-7 | 113 | h | White Walker (GB) | £3,159 | 180 | 0/6 |
| 15 Feb 21 | Lingfield (AW) | 7/14 | 8/1 | 7¼ | Sam Twiston-Davies | Nigel Twiston-Davies | Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race | Class 5 | NH Flat | 2m | Standard to Slow | 11-2 | - | - | Bailarico (IRE) | £2,924 | 67 | 3/12 |
| 10 Dec 20 | Warwick | PU/9 | 9/2 | - | Sam Twiston-Davies | Nigel Twiston-Davies | Wigley Building & Development Novices' Handicap Chase | Class 4 | Chase | 2m | Soft | 11-10 | 116 | h | King D'argent (FR) | £4,289 | 28 | 0/8 |
| 12 Nov 20 | Ludlow | 3/10 | 9/2 | 12 | Mr Zac Baker | Nigel Twiston-Davies | Shukers Landrover Handicap Hurdle (Conditional Jockeys' And Amateur Riders' R… | Class 4 | Hurdle | 2m5f | Good | 11-4 | 116 | - | Tight Call (IRE) | £3,964 | 267 | 0/7 |
| 19 Feb 20 | Ludlow | 5/10 | 6/1 | 18½ | Sam Twiston-Davies | Nigel Twiston-Davies | Michael Lumsden Memorial Handicap Hurdle | Class 3 | Hurdle | 2m | Soft | 11-7 | 118 | - | Bean In Trouble (GB) | £6,238 | 94 | 1/9 |
| 17 Nov 19 | Cheltenham | 13/16 | 6/1 | dist | Jordan Nailor | Nigel Twiston-Davies | Cheltenham Club Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle | Class 3 | Hurdle | 2m5f | Soft | 11-1 | 120 | - | Duc De Beauchene (FR) | £9,747 | 33 | 1/15 |
| 15 Oct 19 | Hereford | 1/9 | 4/1 | won 6 | Sam Twiston-Davies | Nigel Twiston-Davies | Catherine Kellett In Aid Of IJF Novices' Hurdle | Class 4 | Hurdle | 2m3½f | Good | 10-12 | - | - | Red Nika (FR) | £4,159 | 19 | 0/6 |
| 26 Sep 19 | Perth | 3/8 | 3/1 | 10½ | Sam Twiston-Davies | Nigel Twiston-Davies | Heineken UK Novices' Hurdle | Class 4 | Hurdle | 2m | Heavy | 10-12 | - | - | Road To Dubai (IRE) | £4,549 | 166 | 1/7 |
| 13 Apr 19 | Bangor-on-Dee | 2/7 | 15/2 | ¾ | Jordan Nailor | Nigel Twiston-Davies | Controlled Solutions Group Standard National Hunt Flat Race (Conditionals & A… | Class 5 | NH Flat | 2m½f | Good | 10-11 | - | - | Orrisdale (IRE) | £2,274 | 34 | 1/6 |
| 10 Mar 19 | Warwick | 6/11 | 12/1 | 12¾ | Sam Twiston-Davies | Nigel Twiston-Davies | Northamptonshire Britains Best Surprise Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race | Class 5 | NH Flat | 2m | Soft | 11-2 | - | - | Chantry House (IRE) | £2,599 | - | 2/10 |
Minster Group Handicap Hurdle
Class 42m7fGood
All fields
- Date
- 14 Aug 21
- Course
- Market Rasen
- Pos
- 7/7
- SP
- 5/1
- Btn
- dist
- Jockey
- Charlie Deutsch
- Trainer
- Sam Thomas
- Race
- Minster Group Handicap Hurdle
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 2m7f
- Going
- Good
- Wgt
- 11-7
- OR
- 113
- Headgear
- h
- Winner / 2nd
- White Walker (GB)
- Winner prize
- £3,159
- Days
- 180
- Future form
- 0/6
- 7/1415 Feb 21 · Lingfield (AW)8/1
Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race
Class 52mStandard to Slow
All fields
- Date
- 15 Feb 21
- Course
- Lingfield (AW)
- Pos
- 7/14
- SP
- 8/1
- Btn
- 7¼
- Jockey
- Sam Twiston-Davies
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Race
- Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race
- Class
- Class 5
- Type
- NH Flat
- Dist
- 2m
- Going
- Standard to Slow
- Wgt
- 11-2
- OR
- -
- Headgear
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Bailarico (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £2,924
- Days
- 67
- Future form
- 3/12
Wigley Building & Development Novices' Handicap Chase
Class 42mSoft
All fields
- Date
- 10 Dec 20
- Course
- Warwick
- Pos
- PU/9
- SP
- 9/2
- Btn
- -
- Jockey
- Sam Twiston-Davies
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Race
- Wigley Building & Development Novices' Handicap Chase
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Chase
- Dist
- 2m
- Going
- Soft
- Wgt
- 11-10
- OR
- 116
- Headgear
- h
- Winner / 2nd
- King D'argent (FR)
- Winner prize
- £4,289
- Days
- 28
- Future form
- 0/8
Shukers Landrover Handicap Hurdle (Conditional Jockeys' And Amateur Riders' R…
Class 42m5fGood
All fields
- Date
- 12 Nov 20
- Course
- Ludlow
- Pos
- 3/10
- SP
- 9/2
- Btn
- 12
- Jockey
- Mr Zac Baker
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Race
- Shukers Landrover Handicap Hurdle (Conditional Jockeys' And Amateur Riders' R…
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 2m5f
- Going
- Good
- Wgt
- 11-4
- OR
- 116
- Headgear
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Tight Call (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £3,964
- Days
- 267
- Future form
- 0/7
Michael Lumsden Memorial Handicap Hurdle
Class 32mSoft
All fields
- Date
- 19 Feb 20
- Course
- Ludlow
- Pos
- 5/10
- SP
- 6/1
- Btn
- 18½
- Jockey
- Sam Twiston-Davies
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Race
- Michael Lumsden Memorial Handicap Hurdle
- Class
- Class 3
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 2m
- Going
- Soft
- Wgt
- 11-7
- OR
- 118
- Headgear
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Bean In Trouble (GB)
- Winner prize
- £6,238
- Days
- 94
- Future form
- 1/9
Cheltenham Club Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle
Class 32m5fSoft
All fields
- Date
- 17 Nov 19
- Course
- Cheltenham
- Pos
- 13/16
- SP
- 6/1
- Btn
- dist
- Jockey
- Jordan Nailor
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Race
- Cheltenham Club Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle
- Class
- Class 3
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 2m5f
- Going
- Soft
- Wgt
- 11-1
- OR
- 120
- Headgear
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Duc De Beauchene (FR)
- Winner prize
- £9,747
- Days
- 33
- Future form
- 1/15
Catherine Kellett In Aid Of IJF Novices' Hurdle
Class 42m3½fGood
All fields
- Date
- 15 Oct 19
- Course
- Hereford
- Pos
- 1/9
- SP
- 4/1
- Btn
- won 6
- Jockey
- Sam Twiston-Davies
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Race
- Catherine Kellett In Aid Of IJF Novices' Hurdle
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 2m3½f
- Going
- Good
- Wgt
- 10-12
- OR
- -
- Headgear
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Red Nika (FR)
- Winner prize
- £4,159
- Days
- 19
- Future form
- 0/6
Heineken UK Novices' Hurdle
Class 42mHeavy
All fields
- Date
- 26 Sep 19
- Course
- Perth
- Pos
- 3/8
- SP
- 3/1
- Btn
- 10½
- Jockey
- Sam Twiston-Davies
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Race
- Heineken UK Novices' Hurdle
- Class
- Class 4
- Type
- Hurdle
- Dist
- 2m
- Going
- Heavy
- Wgt
- 10-12
- OR
- -
- Headgear
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Road To Dubai (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £4,549
- Days
- 166
- Future form
- 1/7
Controlled Solutions Group Standard National Hunt Flat Race (Conditionals & A…
Class 52m½fGood
All fields
- Date
- 13 Apr 19
- Course
- Bangor-on-Dee
- Pos
- 2/7
- SP
- 15/2
- Btn
- ¾
- Jockey
- Jordan Nailor
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Race
- Controlled Solutions Group Standard National Hunt Flat Race (Conditionals & A…
- Class
- Class 5
- Type
- NH Flat
- Dist
- 2m½f
- Going
- Good
- Wgt
- 10-11
- OR
- -
- Headgear
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Orrisdale (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £2,274
- Days
- 34
- Future form
- 1/6
Northamptonshire Britains Best Surprise Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
Class 52mSoft
All fields
- Date
- 10 Mar 19
- Course
- Warwick
- Pos
- 6/11
- SP
- 12/1
- Btn
- 12¾
- Jockey
- Sam Twiston-Davies
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Race
- Northamptonshire Britains Best Surprise Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
- Class
- Class 5
- Type
- NH Flat
- Dist
- 2m
- Going
- Soft
- Wgt
- 11-2
- OR
- -
- Headgear
- -
- Winner / 2nd
- Chantry House (IRE)
- Winner prize
- £2,599
- Days
- -
- Future form
- 2/10
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races
| Date | Course | Race | This horse | Winner next time | Their pos | Won on | At | Race won |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 15 Feb 21 | Lingfield (AW) | Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race | 7/14 | Darkest Day (IRE) | 2 | 22 Mar 21 | Plumpton | Follow At The Races On Twitter Handicap Hurdle |
| 15 Feb 21 | Lingfield (AW) | Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race | 7/14 | King D'argent (FR) | 3 | 8 Mar 21 | Southwell | Virgin Bet Novices' Limited Handicap Chase |
| 15 Feb 21 | Lingfield (AW) | Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race | 7/14 | Dash Of Blue (GB) | 4 | 11 Nov 22 | Southwell | Cazoo Handicap Chase |
| 19 Feb 20 | Ludlow | Michael Lumsden Memorial Handicap Hurdle | 5/10 | Nordic Combined (IRE) | 4 | 9 Mar 20 | Taunton | William Hill Money Back 2nd At Cheltenham Handicap Hurdle |
| 17 Nov 19 | Cheltenham | Cheltenham Club Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle | 13/16 | Applesandpierres (IRE) | 11 | 28 Dec 19 | Leicester | Leicestershire Bronze Fox Handicap Hurdle |
| 26 Sep 19 | Perth | Heineken UK Novices' Hurdle | 3/8 | Darsi In The Park (IRE) | - | 8 Feb 20 | Uttoxeter | Best Odds Guaranteed At MansionBet Maiden Hurdle (Div II) |
| 13 Apr 19 | Bangor-on-Dee | Controlled Solutions Group Standard National Hunt Flat Race (Conditionals & A… | 2/7 | Orrisdale (IRE) | 1 | 16 Nov 19 | Uttoxeter | Jennings Cumberland Maiden Hurdle |
| 10 Mar 19 | Warwick | Northamptonshire Britains Best Surprise Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race | 6/11 | Chantry House (IRE) | 1 | 13 Dec 19 | Cheltenham | British EBF "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle |
| 10 Mar 19 | Warwick | Northamptonshire Britains Best Surprise Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race | 6/11 | Edwardstone (GB) | 2 | 9 Nov 19 | Wincanton | Frome Scaffolding Group EBF Stallions "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle |
- 7/1415 Feb 21 · Lingfield (AW)
Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
- Date
- 15 Feb 21
- Course
- Lingfield (AW)
- Race
- Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race
- This horse
- 7/14
- Winner next time
- Darkest Day (IRE)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 22 Mar 21
- At
- Plumpton
- Race won
- Follow At The Races On Twitter Handicap Hurdle
- 7/1415 Feb 21 · Lingfield (AW)
Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
- Date
- 15 Feb 21
- Course
- Lingfield (AW)
- Race
- Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race
- This horse
- 7/14
- Winner next time
- King D'argent (FR)
- Their pos
- 3
- Won on
- 8 Mar 21
- Race won
- Virgin Bet Novices' Limited Handicap Chase
- 7/1415 Feb 21 · Lingfield (AW)
Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
- Date
- 15 Feb 21
- Course
- Lingfield (AW)
- Race
- Free Tips Daily On attheraces.com "Jumpers' Bumper" National Hunt Flat Race
- This horse
- 7/14
- Winner next time
- Dash Of Blue (GB)
- Their pos
- 4
- Won on
- 11 Nov 22
- Race won
- Cazoo Handicap Chase
- 5/1019 Feb 20 · Ludlow
Michael Lumsden Memorial Handicap Hurdle
All fields
- Date
- 19 Feb 20
- Course
- Ludlow
- Race
- Michael Lumsden Memorial Handicap Hurdle
- This horse
- 5/10
- Winner next time
- Nordic Combined (IRE)
- Their pos
- 4
- Won on
- 9 Mar 20
- At
- Taunton
- Race won
- William Hill Money Back 2nd At Cheltenham Handicap Hurdle
- 13/1617 Nov 19 · Cheltenham
Cheltenham Club Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle
All fields
- Date
- 17 Nov 19
- Course
- Cheltenham
- Race
- Cheltenham Club Conditional Jockeys' Handicap Hurdle
- This horse
- 13/16
- Winner next time
- Applesandpierres (IRE)
- Their pos
- 11
- Won on
- 28 Dec 19
- Race won
- Leicestershire Bronze Fox Handicap Hurdle
- 3/826 Sep 19 · Perth
Heineken UK Novices' Hurdle
All fields
- Date
- 26 Sep 19
- Course
- Perth
- Race
- Heineken UK Novices' Hurdle
- This horse
- 3/8
- Winner next time
- Darsi In The Park (IRE)
- Their pos
- -
- Won on
- 8 Feb 20
- Race won
- Best Odds Guaranteed At MansionBet Maiden Hurdle (Div II)
- 2/713 Apr 19 · Bangor-on-Dee
Controlled Solutions Group Standard National Hunt Flat Race (Conditionals & A…
All fields
- Date
- 13 Apr 19
- Course
- Bangor-on-Dee
- Race
- Controlled Solutions Group Standard National Hunt Flat Race (Conditionals & A…
- This horse
- 2/7
- Winner next time
- Orrisdale (IRE)
- Their pos
- 1
- Won on
- 16 Nov 19
- Race won
- Jennings Cumberland Maiden Hurdle
- 6/1110 Mar 19 · Warwick
Northamptonshire Britains Best Surprise Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
- Date
- 10 Mar 19
- Course
- Warwick
- Race
- Northamptonshire Britains Best Surprise Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
- This horse
- 6/11
- Winner next time
- Chantry House (IRE)
- Their pos
- 1
- Won on
- 13 Dec 19
- Race won
- British EBF "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
- 6/1110 Mar 19 · Warwick
Northamptonshire Britains Best Surprise Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
- Date
- 10 Mar 19
- Course
- Warwick
- Race
- Northamptonshire Britains Best Surprise Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
- This horse
- 6/11
- Winner next time
- Edwardstone (GB)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 9 Nov 19
- Race won
- Frome Scaffolding Group EBF Stallions "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).
Trainer changes
| Trainer | Moved from | First run | Last run | First run for yard | OR first run | OR last run | Best OR | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sam Thomas | Nigel Twiston-Davies | 14 Aug 21 | 14 Aug 21 | 7/7 | 113 | 113 | 113 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 | ||
| Nigel Twiston-Davies | - | 10 Mar 19 | 15 Feb 21 | 6/11 | 120 | 116 | 120 | 9 | 1 | 1 | 2 | £6,426 | €0 |
Sam Thomas
- Trainer
- Sam Thomas
- Moved from
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- First run
- 14 Aug 21
- Last run
- 14 Aug 21
- First run for yard
- 7/7
- OR first run
- 113
- OR last run
- 113
- Best OR
- 113
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- First run
- 10 Mar 19
- Last run
- 15 Feb 21
- First run for yard
- 6/11
- OR first run
- 120
- OR last run
- 116
- Best OR
- 120
- Runs
- 9
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 2
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,426
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Spells with each trainer in race order, latest first (a horse that returns to a trainer shows a new spell). From British and Irish runs since 1990.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | Best OR | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 10 | 1 | 1 | 2 | £6,776 | €0 | 120 | 10 Mar 19 | 14 Aug 21 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Runs
- 10
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 2
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,776
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
- Best OR
- 120
- First run
- 10 Mar 19
- Last run
- 14 Aug 21
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
By race type
| Race type | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hurdle | 6 | 1 | 0 | 2 | £6,108 | €0 | ||
| Chase | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| NH Flat | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £668 | €0 |
Hurdle
- Race type
- Hurdle
- Runs
- 6
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 2
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,108
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Chase
- Race type
- Chase
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
NH Flat
- Race type
- NH Flat
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £668
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By going
| Going | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Good | 4 | 1 | 1 | 1 | £5,758 | €0 | ||
| Soft | 4 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 | ||
| Heavy | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | £668 | €0 | ||
| Standard to Slow | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
Good
- Going
- Good
- Runs
- 4
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £5,758
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Soft
- Going
- Soft
- Runs
- 4
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Heavy
- Going
- Heavy
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £668
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Standard to Slow
- Going
- Standard to Slow
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By distance
| Distance | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2m to 2m1f | 6 | 0 | 1 | 1 | £1,686 | €0 | ||
| 2m2f to 2m5f | 3 | 1 | 0 | 1 | £4,741 | €0 | ||
| 2m6f to 3m1f | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 |
2m to 2m1f
- Distance
- 2m to 2m1f
- Runs
- 6
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,686
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
2m2f to 2m5f
- Distance
- 2m2f to 2m5f
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £4,741
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
2m6f to 3m1f
- Distance
- 2m6f to 3m1f
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Flat bands: 5f-6f, 7f-1m, 9f-11f, 12f-13f, 14f+. NH bands: 2m-2m1f, 2m2f-2m5f, 2m6f-3m1f, 3m2f+.
By course
| Course | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Ludlow | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | £932 | €0 | ||
| Warwick | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| Hereford | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £4,159 | €0 | ||
| Bangor-on-Dee | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £668 | €0 | ||
| Cheltenham | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| Lingfield (AW) | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| Market Rasen | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 | ||
| Perth | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | £668 | €0 |
Ludlow
- Course
- Ludlow
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £932
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Warwick
- Course
- Warwick
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Hereford
- Course
- Hereford
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £4,159
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Bangor-on-Dee
- Course
- Bangor-on-Dee
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £668
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Cheltenham
- Course
- Cheltenham
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Lingfield (AW)
- Course
- Lingfield (AW)
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Market Rasen
- Course
- Market Rasen
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Perth
- Course
- Perth
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £668
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By class
| Class | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Class 3 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 | ||
| Class 4 | 5 | 1 | 0 | 2 | £5,758 | €0 | ||
| Class 5 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £668 | €0 |
Class 3
- Class
- Class 3
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Class 4
- Class
- Class 4
- Runs
- 5
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 2
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £5,758
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Class 5
- Class
- Class 5
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £668
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Pattern (Group/Grade/Listed) shown ahead of class. Irish races carry no class, so they are grouped as handicap or non-handicap.
By field size
| Runners | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 6 to 8 runners | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | £1,686 | €0 | ||
| 9 to 12 runners | 5 | 1 | 0 | 1 | £5,091 | €0 | ||
| 13 to 16 runners | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
6 to 8 runners
- Runners
- 6 to 8 runners
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,686
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
9 to 12 runners
- Runners
- 9 to 12 runners
- Runs
- 5
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £5,091
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
13 to 16 runners
- Runners
- 13 to 16 runners
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By month
| Month | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| February | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 | ||
| March | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| April | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £668 | €0 | ||
| August | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 | ||
| September | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | £668 | €0 | ||
| October | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £4,159 | €0 | ||
| November | 2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | £582 | €0 | ||
| December | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
February
- Month
- February
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
March
- Month
- March
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
April
- Month
- April
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £668
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
August
- Month
- August
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
September
- Month
- September
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £668
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
October
- Month
- October
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £4,159
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
November
- Month
- November
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £582
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
December
- Month
- December
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By jockey
| Jockey | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sam Twiston-Davies | 6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | £5,177 | €0 | ||
| Jordan Nailor | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £668 | €0 | ||
| Charlie Deutsch | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 | ||
| Mr Zac Baker | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | £582 | €0 |
Sam Twiston-Davies
- Jockey
- Sam Twiston-Davies
- Runs
- 6
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £5,177
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Jordan Nailor
- Jockey
- Jordan Nailor
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £668
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Charlie Deutsch
- Jockey
- Charlie Deutsch
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Mr Zac Baker
- Jockey
- Mr Zac Baker
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £582
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By trainer
| Trainer | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nigel Twiston-Davies | 9 | 1 | 1 | 2 | £6,426 | €0 | ||
| Sam Thomas | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 |
Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Trainer
- Nigel Twiston-Davies
- Runs
- 9
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 2
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,426
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Sam Thomas
- Trainer
- Sam Thomas
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
By headgear
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| No headgear | 8 | 1 | 1 | 2 | £6,426 | €0 | ||
| h | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 |
No headgear
- Headgear
- No headgear
- Runs
- 8
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 2
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,426
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
h
- Headgear
- h
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Headgear codes as declared: b blinkers, v visor, p cheekpieces, t tongue strap, h hood, e/s eyeshield.
By days since last run
| Days since last run | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Debut / no previous run | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| 15 to 30 days | 2 | 1 | 0 | 0 | £4,159 | €0 | ||
| 31 to 60 days | 2 | 0 | 1 | 0 | £668 | €0 | ||
| 61 to 120 days | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 | ||
| 121 to 365 days | 3 | 0 | 0 | 2 | £1,600 | €0 |
Debut / no previous run
- Days since last run
- Debut / no previous run
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
15 to 30 days
- Days since last run
- 15 to 30 days
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £4,159
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
31 to 60 days
- Days since last run
- 31 to 60 days
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £668
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
61 to 120 days
- Days since last run
- 61 to 120 days
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
121 to 365 days
- Days since last run
- 121 to 365 days
- Runs
- 3
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 2
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £1,600
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Counted from the previous run in Britain or Ireland; runs abroad are not seen.
By first-time headgear
| Headgear | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| First time in any headgear | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| First time hood | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | ||
| Headgear, all items worn before | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £350 | €0 | ||
| No headgear | 8 | 1 | 1 | 2 | £6,426 | €0 |
First time in any headgear
- Headgear
- First time in any headgear
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
First time hood
- Headgear
- First time hood
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Headgear, all items worn before
- Headgear
- Headgear, all items worn before
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £350
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
No headgear
- Headgear
- No headgear
- Runs
- 8
- Wins
- 1
- 2nd
- 1
- 3rd
- 2
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,426
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
A run can count in more than one "first time" row (e.g. first-time blinkers and first headgear of any kind). First time is judged against earlier British and Irish runs only.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchOscar (IRE)
Parent · 1
- SireOscar (IRE)
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's damNot traced
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchAsta Belle (FR)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sireAstarabad (USA)
- Dam's damNot traced
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sireNot traced
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
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Breeding card
HorseDon't Shout (IRE)
Sexgelding
Foaled2014
SireOscar (IRE)
DamAsta Belle (FR)
DamsireAstarabad (USA)
Dam's produce3 winners from 3 runners
Notable siblingLisnagar Oscar (IRE)
Female line
- Asta Belle (FR) · 3 winners from 3 runners
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Breeder | Foaled | Colour | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Oscar (IRE) | Asta Belle (FR) | Astarabad (USA) | Denis Fitzgerald | 11 May 14 | bay | gelding | Flat 13.3f · NH 2m3½f | NH 2m3½f |
Oscar (IRE)
- Sire
- Oscar (IRE)
- Damsire
- Astarabad (USA)
- Breeder
- Denis Fitzgerald
- Foaled
- 11 May 14
- Colour
- bay
- Sex
- gelding
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 13.3f · NH 2m3½f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- NH 2m3½f
Progeny of Oscar (IRE) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All National Hunt runs | 19,235 | 2,063 | 5,223 | 10 | 1 | ||
| At 2m2f to 2m5f | 7,029 | 745 | 1,896 | 3 | 1 | ||
| On Good going | 5,980 | 601 | 1,539 | 4 | 1 | ||
| At 2m2f to 2m5f on Good going | 2,227 | 219 | 562 | 2 | 1 |
All National Hunt runs
- Condition
- All National Hunt runs
- Runs
- 19,235
- Wins
- 2,063
- Placed
- 5,223
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 10
- This horse wins
- 1
At 2m2f to 2m5f
- Condition
- At 2m2f to 2m5f
- Runs
- 7,029
- Wins
- 745
- Placed
- 1,896
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 3
- This horse wins
- 1
On Good going
- Condition
- On Good going
- Runs
- 5,980
- Wins
- 601
- Placed
- 1,539
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 4
- This horse wins
- 1
At 2m2f to 2m5f on Good going
- Condition
- At 2m2f to 2m5f on Good going
- Runs
- 2,227
- Wins
- 219
- Placed
- 562
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 2
- This horse wins
- 1
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Oscar (IRE) × Astarabad (USA) mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 2 | 2 | 1 | 35 | 4 | 13 | £266,162 | €0 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Runners
- 2
- Winners
- 2
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 1
- Runs
- 35
- Wins
- 4
- 2nd/3rd
- 13
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £266,162
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Best win | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Lisnagar Oscar (IRE) | 25 | 3 | 2 | Group/Grade 1 | £259,386 | €0 |
| Don't Shout (IRE) | 10 | 1 | 0 | - | £6,776 | €0 |
Lisnagar Oscar (IRE)
- Horse
- Lisnagar Oscar (IRE)
- Runs
- 25
- Wins
- 3
- Black-type wins
- 2
- Best win
- Group/Grade 1
- Prize GB (£)
- £259,386
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Don't Shout (IRE)
- Horse
- Don't Shout (IRE)
- Runs
- 10
- Wins
- 1
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £6,776
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Ratings
Official ratings
| Code | Current OR | Highest OR | Lowest OR | Rated runs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 113 | 120 | 113 | 5 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Current OR
- 113
- Highest OR
- 120
- Lowest OR
- 113
- Rated runs
- 5
Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.
Official rating by run
| Date | Course | Code | OR | Change | Pos |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 14 Aug 21 | Market Rasen | NH | 113 | -3 | 7/7 |
| 10 Dec 20 | Warwick | NH | 116 | 0 | PU/9 |
| 12 Nov 20 | Ludlow | NH | 116 | -2 | 3/10 |
| 19 Feb 20 | Ludlow | NH | 118 | -2 | 5/10 |
| 17 Nov 19 | Cheltenham | NH | 120 | - | 13/16 |
- 7/714 Aug 21 · Market Rasen
All fields
- Date
- 14 Aug 21
- Course
- Market Rasen
- Code
- NH
- OR
- 113
- Change
- -3
- Pos
- 7/7
- PU/910 Dec 20 · Warwick
All fields
- Date
- 10 Dec 20
- Course
- Warwick
- Code
- NH
- OR
- 116
- Change
- 0
- Pos
- PU/9
- 3/1012 Nov 20 · Ludlow
All fields
- Date
- 12 Nov 20
- Course
- Ludlow
- Code
- NH
- OR
- 116
- Change
- -2
- Pos
- 3/10
- 5/1019 Feb 20 · Ludlow
All fields
- Date
- 19 Feb 20
- Course
- Ludlow
- Code
- NH
- OR
- 118
- Change
- -2
- Pos
- 5/10
- 13/1617 Nov 19 · Cheltenham
All fields
- Date
- 17 Nov 19
- Course
- Cheltenham
- Code
- NH
- OR
- 120
- Change
- -
- Pos
- 13/16
Current mark v winning marks
| Code | Current OR | OR last run | Change | Highest OR | v highest |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 113 | 113 | 0 | 120 | -7 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Current OR
- 113
- OR last run
- 113
- Change
- 0
- Highest OR
- 120
- v highest
- -7
Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 1
- Produce
- 3 winners from 3 runners
Full siblings
- Lisnagar Oscar (IRE)3W · 25R · 1 G1
Half siblings
By Soldier Of Fortune (IRE)
- Lisnagar Fortune (IRE)2W · 15R
Female line
- 1Asta Belle (FR)
Notable relatives
Full brother
- Lisnagar Oscar (IRE)3W · 25R · 1 G1
In brief
When was Don't Shout foaled?
Don't Shout (IRE), a bay racehorse, was foaled on 11 May 2014.
Who are the sire and dam of Don't Shout?
Don't Shout (IRE) is by Oscar (IRE) out of Asta Belle (FR), a daughter of Astarabad (USA), and was bred by Denis Fitzgerald.
Who trained Don't Shout?
Don't Shout (IRE) was trained by Sam Thomas and owned by Walters Plant Hire & Potter Group at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland, having also run for Nigel Twiston-Davies.
What is Don't Shout's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, Don't Shout (IRE) won 1 of 10 races (10%).
What is Don't Shout's biggest win?
Don't Shout (IRE)'s only win in Britain or Ireland came in the Catherine Kellett In Aid Of IJF Novices' Hurdle at Hereford on 15 October 2019.
Has Don't Shout ever been beaten?
Don't Shout (IRE) was beaten 9 times in 10 runs in Britain and Ireland, the first time on 10 March 2019 at Warwick (6th of 11).
What was Don't Shout's official rating?
Don't Shout (IRE) was last officially rated 113 over jumps (career high 120).
Is Don't Shout still racing?
Don't Shout (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 14 August 2021 at Market Rasen in the Minster Group Handicap Hurdle, finishing 7th of 7, and has not run there since.
Is Don't Shout related to any top horses?
Don't Shout (IRE)'s black-type relatives in Britain and Ireland include Lisnagar Oscar (IRE) (full brother, Grade 1 winner), from the Asta Belle (FR) family.
What is Don't Shout's record at Ludlow?
Don't Shout (IRE) ran most often at Ludlow, with no wins from 2 runs there.
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