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Horse profile
Classical Dilemma
- TrainerJames Given
- OwnerP J Brain
- Sex
- filly
- Foaled
- 2005
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 0 wins from 2 runs (0%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- £0
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 15 Dec 2009, Catterick (UR/16)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- Never won
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Btn | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Days | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 15 Dec 09 | Catterick | UR/16 | 100/1 | - | Andrew Tinkler | James Given | Book Racecourse Hospitality On 01748 810165 Intermediate Open National Hunt F… | Class 5 | NH Flat | 1m7½f | Good to Soft | 10-11 | Fairynuff (GB) | £1,953 | 30 | 0/14 |
| 15 Nov 09 | Market Rasen | 8/10 | 25/1 | 19½ | Lee Vickers | James Given | PHS Treadsmart Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race | Class 6 | NH Flat | 2m½f | Soft | 10-9 | Pyracantha (GB) | £1,713 | - | 2/9 |
Book Racecourse Hospitality On 01748 810165 Intermediate Open National Hunt F…
Class 51m7½fGood to Soft
All fields
- Date
- 15 Dec 09
- Course
- Catterick
- Pos
- UR/16
- SP
- 100/1
- Btn
- -
- Jockey
- Andrew Tinkler
- Trainer
- James Given
- Race
- Book Racecourse Hospitality On 01748 810165 Intermediate Open National Hunt F…
- Class
- Class 5
- Type
- NH Flat
- Dist
- 1m7½f
- Going
- Good to Soft
- Wgt
- 10-11
- Winner / 2nd
- Fairynuff (GB)
- Winner prize
- £1,953
- Days
- 30
- Future form
- 0/14
PHS Treadsmart Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
Class 62m½fSoft
All fields
- Date
- 15 Nov 09
- Course
- Market Rasen
- Pos
- 8/10
- SP
- 25/1
- Btn
- 19½
- Jockey
- Lee Vickers
- Trainer
- James Given
- Race
- PHS Treadsmart Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
- Class
- Class 6
- Type
- NH Flat
- Dist
- 2m½f
- Going
- Soft
- Wgt
- 10-9
- Winner / 2nd
- Pyracantha (GB)
- Winner prize
- £1,713
- Days
- -
- Future form
- 2/9
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races
| Date | Course | Race | This horse | Winner next time | Their pos | Won on | At | Race won |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 15 Nov 09 | Market Rasen | PHS Treadsmart Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race | 8/10 | Full Of Joy (IRE) | 2 | 5 Dec 09 | Chepstow | freebets.co.uk Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race |
| 15 Nov 09 | Market Rasen | PHS Treadsmart Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race | 8/10 | Dear Sam (GER) | 4 | 2 Dec 09 | Catterick | Go Racing At Wetherby This Saturday Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race |
- 8/1015 Nov 09 · Market Rasen
PHS Treadsmart Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
- Date
- 15 Nov 09
- Course
- Market Rasen
- Race
- PHS Treadsmart Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
- This horse
- 8/10
- Winner next time
- Full Of Joy (IRE)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 5 Dec 09
- At
- Chepstow
- Race won
- freebets.co.uk Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
- 8/1015 Nov 09 · Market Rasen
PHS Treadsmart Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
- Date
- 15 Nov 09
- Course
- Market Rasen
- Race
- PHS Treadsmart Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
- This horse
- 8/10
- Winner next time
- Dear Sam (GER)
- Their pos
- 4
- Won on
- 2 Dec 09
- Race won
- Go Racing At Wetherby This Saturday Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race
Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).
Trainer changes
| Trainer | First run | Last run | First run for yard | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| James Given | 15 Nov 09 | 15 Dec 09 | 8/10 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
James Given
- Trainer
- James Given
- First run
- 15 Nov 09
- Last run
- 15 Dec 09
- First run for yard
- 8/10
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 2 | 0 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 | 15 Nov 09 | 15 Dec 09 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 0
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
- First run
- 15 Nov 09
- Last run
- 15 Dec 09
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchClassic Cliche (IRE)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireSalse (USA)
- Sire's damPato (GB)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchSatiric (IRE)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sireDoyoun (GB)
- Dam's damNot traced
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sireNot traced
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
Breeding card
Female line
- Satiric (IRE) · 0 winners from 6 runners
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Classic Cliche (IRE) | Satiric (IRE) | Doyoun (GB) | filly | Flat 11.4f · NH 2m4½f | Flat 9.8f · NH 2m2½f |
Classic Cliche (IRE)
- Damsire
- Doyoun (GB)
- Sex
- filly
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 11.4f · NH 2m4½f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- Flat 9.8f · NH 2m2½f
Progeny of Classic Cliche (IRE) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All National Hunt runs | 3,348 | 261 | 824 | 2 | 0 | ||
| At 2m to 2m1f | 988 | 71 | 201 | 2 | 0 | ||
| On Good to soft or yielding going | 705 | 46 | 160 | 1 | 0 | ||
| At 2m to 2m1f on Good to soft or yielding going | 200 | 13 | 32 | 1 | 0 |
All National Hunt runs
- Condition
- All National Hunt runs
- Runs
- 3,348
- Wins
- 261
- Placed
- 824
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 2
- This horse wins
- 0
At 2m to 2m1f
- Condition
- At 2m to 2m1f
- Runs
- 988
- Wins
- 71
- Placed
- 201
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 2
- This horse wins
- 0
On Good to soft or yielding going
- Condition
- On Good to soft or yielding going
- Runs
- 705
- Wins
- 46
- Placed
- 160
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
At 2m to 2m1f on Good to soft or yielding going
- Condition
- At 2m to 2m1f on Good to soft or yielding going
- Runs
- 200
- Wins
- 13
- Placed
- 32
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Classic Cliche (IRE) × Doyoun mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| National Hunt | 2 | 1 | 0 | 18 | 2 | 3 | £11,002 | €0 |
National Hunt
- Code
- National Hunt
- Runners
- 2
- Winners
- 1
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 0
- Runs
- 18
- Wins
- 2
- 2nd/3rd
- 3
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £11,002
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| My Pal Val (IRE) | 16 | 2 | 0 | £11,002 | €0 |
| Classical Dilemma (GB) | 2 | 0 | 0 | £0 | €0 |
My Pal Val (IRE)
- Horse
- My Pal Val (IRE)
- Runs
- 16
- Wins
- 2
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £11,002
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Classical Dilemma (GB)
- Runs
- 2
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £0
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 0
- Produce
- 0 winners from 6 runners
Full siblings
No other foal by Classic Cliche (IRE) out of Satiric (IRE) has raced in Britain or Ireland.
Half siblings
By Batshoof (GB)
- Sticiboots (GB)0W · 7R
By King's Theatre (IRE)
- Farce (GB)0W · 1R
- Kings Trick (IRE)0W · 1R
By Tomba (GB)
- Ronaldo (GB)0W · 11R
By Golden Snake (USA)
- Belvidera (GB)0W · 8R
Female line
- 1Satiric (IRE)
Notable relatives
No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.
In brief
When was Classical Dilemma foaled?
Classical Dilemma (GB) was foaled in 2005.
Who are the sire and dam of Classical Dilemma?
Classical Dilemma (GB) is by Classic Cliche (IRE) out of Satiric (IRE), a daughter of Doyoun (GB).
Who trained Classical Dilemma?
Classical Dilemma (GB) was trained by James Given and owned by P J Brain at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.
What is Classical Dilemma's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, Classical Dilemma (GB) ran 2 times without winning.
Is Classical Dilemma still racing?
Classical Dilemma (GB) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 15 December 2009 at Catterick in the Book Racecourse Hospitality On 01748 810165 Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race (result: unseated rider, 16 ran), and has not run there since.
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