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But Why

Then Again (GB) × Pleasure Island (GB) (Dalsaan (GB))
Sex
gelding
Foaled
1994
Record (GB & IRE)
1 win from 3 runs (33%)
Prize money (GB & IRE)
£2,238 GB
Last run (GB & IRE)
28 May 1996, Leicester (1/6)
Recent form
551

Form

Race record

DateCoursePosSPBtnJockeyTrainerRaceClassTypeDistGoingWgtWinner / 2ndWinner prizeDaysFuture form
28 May 96Leicester1/63/1Jwon 2½Michael TebbuttC MurrayHathern Selling Stakes Class GClass 6Flat Turf6fGood to Soft8-11Ginny Wossername (GB)£2,238281/5
30 Apr 96Nottingham5/914/15¼Michael TebbuttC MurrayPorchester Median Auction Maiden Stakes Class FClass 6Flat Turf5fGood to Firm9-0Mirror Four Life (IRE)£2,385120/8
18 Apr 96Newmarket5/625/113¼Micky FentonC MurrayEuropean Breeders Fund Stuntney Maiden Stakes Class DClass 4Flat Turf5fGood to Firm8-11Fletcher (GB)£4,230-1/5
  • 1/628 May 96 · Leicester3/1J

    Hathern Selling Stakes Class G

    Class 66fGood to Soft

    All fields
    Date
    28 May 96
    Course
    Leicester
    Pos
    1/6
    SP
    3/1J
    Btn
    won 2½
    Trainer
    C Murray
    Race
    Hathern Selling Stakes Class G
    Class
    Class 6
    Type
    Flat Turf
    Dist
    6f
    Going
    Good to Soft
    Wgt
    8-11
    Winner prize
    £2,238
    Days
    28
    Future form
    1/5
  • 5/930 Apr 96 · Nottingham14/1

    Porchester Median Auction Maiden Stakes Class F

    Class 65fGood to Firm

    All fields
    Date
    30 Apr 96
    Pos
    5/9
    SP
    14/1
    Btn
    5¼
    Trainer
    C Murray
    Race
    Porchester Median Auction Maiden Stakes Class F
    Class
    Class 6
    Type
    Flat Turf
    Dist
    5f
    Going
    Good to Firm
    Wgt
    9-0
    Winner prize
    £2,385
    Days
    12
    Future form
    0/8
  • 5/618 Apr 96 · Newmarket25/1

    European Breeders Fund Stuntney Maiden Stakes Class D

    Class 45fGood to Firm

    All fields
    Date
    18 Apr 96
    Course
    Newmarket
    Pos
    5/6
    SP
    25/1
    Btn
    13¼
    Trainer
    C Murray
    Race
    European Breeders Fund Stuntney Maiden Stakes Class D
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Flat Turf
    Dist
    5f
    Going
    Good to Firm
    Wgt
    8-11
    Winner / 2nd
    Fletcher (GB)
    Winner prize
    £4,230
    Days
    -
    Future form
    1/5

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

DateCourseRaceThis horseWinner next timeTheir posWon onAtRace won
28 May 96LeicesterHathern Selling Stakes Class G1/6Our Kevin (GB)41 Jun 96CatterickRacing Channel Selling Stakes Class G
18 Apr 96NewmarketEuropean Breeders Fund Stuntney Maiden Stakes Class D5/6Rude AwakeningI (GB)229 Apr 96PontefractEuropean Breeders Fund Tote Maiden Stakes Class D
  • 1/628 May 96 · Leicester

    Hathern Selling Stakes Class G

    All fields
    Date
    28 May 96
    Course
    Leicester
    Race
    Hathern Selling Stakes Class G
    This horse
    1/6
    Winner next time
    Our Kevin (GB)
    Their pos
    4
    Won on
    1 Jun 96
    Race won
    Racing Channel Selling Stakes Class G
  • 5/618 Apr 96 · Newmarket

    European Breeders Fund Stuntney Maiden Stakes Class D

    All fields
    Date
    18 Apr 96
    Course
    Newmarket
    Race
    European Breeders Fund Stuntney Maiden Stakes Class D
    This horse
    5/6
    Winner next time
    Rude AwakeningI (GB)
    Their pos
    2
    Won on
    29 Apr 96
    Race won
    European Breeders Fund Tote Maiden Stakes Class D

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

TrainerFirst runLast runFirst run for yardRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
C Murray18 Apr 9628 May 965/6310033.3%33.3%£2,238€0
C Murray
Trainer
C Murray
First run
18 Apr 96
Last run
28 May 96
First run for yard
5/6
Runs
3
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
33.3%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

CodeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)First runLast run
Flat310033.3%33.3%£2,238€018 Apr 9628 May 96
Flat
Code
Flat
Runs
3
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
33.3%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0
First run
18 Apr 96
Last run
28 May 96

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

By race type

Race typeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Flat Turf310033.3%33.3%£2,238€0
Flat Turf
Race type
Flat Turf
Runs
3
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
33.3%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By going

GoingRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Good to Firm20000.0%0.0%£0€0
Good to Soft1100100.0%100.0%£2,238€0
Good to Firm
Going
Good to Firm
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Good to Soft
Going
Good to Soft
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By distance

DistanceRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
5f to 6f310033.3%33.3%£2,238€0
5f to 6f
Distance
5f to 6f
Runs
3
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
33.3%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Flat bands: 5f-6f, 7f-1m, 9f-11f, 12f-13f, 14f+. NH bands: 2m-2m1f, 2m2f-2m5f, 2m6f-3m1f, 3m2f+.

By course

CourseRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Leicester1100100.0%100.0%£2,238€0
Newmarket10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Nottingham10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Leicester
Course
Leicester
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Newmarket
Course
Newmarket
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Nottingham
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By class

ClassRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Class 410000.0%0.0%£0€0
Class 6210050.0%50.0%£2,238€0
Class 4
Class
Class 4
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Class 6
Class
Class 6
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Pattern (Group/Grade/Listed) shown ahead of class. Irish races carry no class, so they are grouped as handicap or non-handicap.

By field size

RunnersRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
6 to 8 runners210050.0%50.0%£2,238€0
9 to 12 runners10000.0%0.0%£0€0
6 to 8 runners
Runners
6 to 8 runners
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0
9 to 12 runners
Runners
9 to 12 runners
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By month

MonthRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
April20000.0%0.0%£0€0
May1100100.0%100.0%£2,238€0
April
Month
April
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
May
Month
May
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By jockey

JockeyRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Michael Tebbutt210050.0%50.0%£2,238€0
Micky Fenton10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Michael Tebbutt
Runs
2
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
50.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Micky Fenton
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By trainer

TrainerRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
C Murray310033.3%33.3%£2,238€0
C Murray
Trainer
C Murray
Runs
3
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
33.3%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By headgear

HeadgearRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
No headgear310033.3%33.3%£2,238€0
No headgear
Headgear
No headgear
Runs
3
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
33.3%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Headgear codes as declared: b blinkers, v visor, p cheekpieces, t tongue strap, h hood, e/s eyeshield.

By days since last run

Days since last runRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Debut / no previous run10000.0%0.0%£0€0
8 to 14 days10000.0%0.0%£0€0
15 to 30 days1100100.0%100.0%£2,238€0
Debut / no previous run
Days since last run
Debut / no previous run
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
8 to 14 days
Days since last run
8 to 14 days
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
15 to 30 days
Days since last run
15 to 30 days
Runs
1
Wins
1
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
100.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Counted from the previous run in Britain or Ireland; runs abroad are not seen.

Pedigree

Pedigree

Sire branchThen Again (GB)

Parent · 1

  1. SireThen Again (GB)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's damNot traced

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Sire's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's sire's damNot traced
  3. Sire's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchPleasure Island (GB)

Parent · 1

  1. DamPleasure Island (GB)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Dam's sireDalsaan (GB)
  2. Dam's damNot traced

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Dam's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Dam's sire's damNot traced
  3. Dam's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Dam's dam's damNot traced
Then Again (GB)
Pleasure Island (GB)
Not traced
Not traced
Dalsaan (GB)
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced

Breeding card

HorseBut Why (GB)
Sexgelding
Foaled1994
SireThen Again (GB)
DamPleasure Island (GB)
DamsireDalsaan (GB)
Dam's produce1 winners from 3 runners
Notable siblingWild Expression (GB)

Female line

  1. Pleasure Island (GB) · 1 winners from 3 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

SireDamDamsireSexSire's avg winning distanceDamsire's avg winning distance
Then Again (GB)Pleasure Island (GB)Dalsaan (GB)geldingFlat 7.0f · NH 2m3fFlat 8.3f · NH 2m3f
Then Again (GB)
Sex
gelding
Sire's avg winning distance
Flat 7.0f · NH 2m3f
Damsire's avg winning distance
Flat 8.3f · NH 2m3f

Progeny of Then Again (GB) in this horse's best conditions

ConditionRunsWinsPlacedWin %Place %This horse runsThis horse wins
All Flat runs1,086751976.9%18.1%31
At 5f to 6f38934818.7%20.8%31
On Good to soft or yielding going110111910.0%17.3%11
At 5f to 6f on Good to soft or yielding going3471020.6%29.4%11
All Flat runs
Condition
All Flat runs
Runs
1,086
Wins
75
Placed
197
Win %
6.9%
Place %
18.1%
This horse runs
3
This horse wins
1
At 5f to 6f
Condition
At 5f to 6f
Runs
389
Wins
34
Placed
81
Win %
8.7%
Place %
20.8%
This horse runs
3
This horse wins
1
On Good to soft or yielding going
Condition
On Good to soft or yielding going
Runs
110
Wins
11
Placed
19
Win %
10.0%
Place %
17.3%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
1
At 5f to 6f on Good to soft or yielding going
Condition
At 5f to 6f on Good to soft or yielding going
Runs
34
Wins
7
Placed
10
Win %
20.6%
Place %
29.4%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
1

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Then Again (GB) × Dalsaan mares (the cross)

CodeRunnersWinnersWinners %Black-type winnersRunsWins2nd/3rdWin %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Flat2150.0%091011.1%£2,238€0
National Hunt100.0%02000.0%£0€0
All runs2150.0%011109.1%£2,238€0
Flat
Code
Flat
Runners
2
Winners
1
Winners %
50.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
9
Wins
1
2nd/3rd
0
Win %
11.1%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Runners
1
Winners
0
Winners %
0.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd/3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
All runs
Code
All runs
Runners
2
Winners
1
Winners %
50.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
11
Wins
1
2nd/3rd
0
Win %
9.1%
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0

All British and Irish runners by this sire out of mares by this damsire, since 1990 (includes this horse). Black type = Group/Grade 1-3 or Listed winner.

Best of the cross

HorseRunsWinsBlack-type winsPrize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
But Why (GB)310£2,238€0
Wild Expression (GB)800£0€0
But Why (GB)
Runs
3
Wins
1
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£2,238
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Wild Expression (GB)
Runs
8
Wins
0
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Family

Dam summary

Pleasure Island (GB)

G1 winners
0
Produce
1 winners from 3 runners

Full siblings

Half siblings

By Petorius (IRE)

Female line

  1. 1Pleasure Island (GB)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

In brief

When was But Why foaled?

But Why (GB) was foaled in 1994.

Who are the sire and dam of But Why?

But Why (GB) is by Then Again (GB) out of Pleasure Island (GB), a daughter of Dalsaan (GB).

Who trained But Why?

But Why (GB) was trained by C Murray and owned by Four Score Racing at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is But Why's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, But Why (GB) won 1 of 3 races (33%).

What is But Why's biggest win?

But Why (GB)'s only win in Britain or Ireland came in the Hathern Selling Stakes Class G at Leicester on 28 May 1996.

Has But Why ever been beaten?

But Why (GB) was beaten twice in 3 runs in Britain and Ireland, the first time on 18 April 1996 at Newmarket (5th of 6).

Is But Why still racing?

But Why (GB) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 28 May 1996 at Leicester in the Hathern Selling Stakes Class G, finishing 1st of 6, and has not run there since.

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