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Whenwehadmoney (IRE) silks

Horse profile

Whenwehadmoney

Talkin Man (CAN) × Honest-Lady (IRE) (Hays (GB))
Sex
gelding
Foaled
2004
Record (GB & IRE)
0 wins from 3 runs (0%)
Prize money (GB & IRE)
£478 GB
Last run (GB & IRE)
20 Jun 2010, Hereford (3/14)
Last win (GB & IRE)
Never won
Recent form
663

Form

Race record

DateCoursePosSPBtnJockeyTrainerRaceClassTypeDistGoingWgtWinner / 2ndWinner prizeDaysFuture form
20 Jun 10Hereford3/1433/16½D P FahyEvan Williamstoteplacepot Conditional Jockeys' Novices' HurdleClass 4Hurdle2mGood to Firm10-9Players Please (USA)£3,253450/11
6 May 10Wincanton6/1012/1distPaul MoloneyEvan WilliamsBathwick Tyres Yeovil Novices' HurdleClass 4Hurdle2m5½fGood to Firm10-12Prescelli (IRE)£2,602400/7
27 Mar 10Bangor-on-Dee6/850/119½Andrew ThorntonEvan Williamspuredarts.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' HurdleClass 4Hurdle2m½fGood to Soft11-0Mister Stickler (IRE)£3,578-0/7
  • 3/1420 Jun 10 · Hereford33/1

    toteplacepot Conditional Jockeys' Novices' Hurdle

    Class 42mGood to Firm

    All fields
    Date
    20 Jun 10
    Course
    Hereford
    Pos
    3/14
    SP
    33/1
    Btn
    6½
    Jockey
    D P Fahy
    Race
    toteplacepot Conditional Jockeys' Novices' Hurdle
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m
    Going
    Good to Firm
    Wgt
    10-9
    Winner prize
    £3,253
    Days
    45
    Future form
    0/11
  • 6/106 May 10 · Wincanton12/1

    Bathwick Tyres Yeovil Novices' Hurdle

    Class 42m5½fGood to Firm

    All fields
    Date
    6 May 10
    Course
    Wincanton
    Pos
    6/10
    SP
    12/1
    Btn
    dist
    Race
    Bathwick Tyres Yeovil Novices' Hurdle
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m5½f
    Going
    Good to Firm
    Wgt
    10-12
    Winner / 2nd
    Prescelli (IRE)
    Winner prize
    £2,602
    Days
    40
    Future form
    0/7
  • 6/827 Mar 10 · Bangor-on-Dee50/1

    puredarts.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle

    Class 42m½fGood to Soft

    All fields
    Date
    27 Mar 10
    Pos
    6/8
    SP
    50/1
    Btn
    19½
    Race
    puredarts.co.uk "National Hunt" Novices' Hurdle
    Class
    Class 4
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m½f
    Going
    Good to Soft
    Wgt
    11-0
    Winner prize
    £3,578
    Days
    -
    Future form
    0/7

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Trainer changes

TrainerFirst runLast runFirst run for yardRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Evan Williams27 Mar 1020 Jun 106/830010.0%33.3%£478€0
Evan Williams
First run
27 Mar 10
Last run
20 Jun 10
First run for yard
6/8
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

CodeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)First runLast run
National Hunt30010.0%33.3%£478€027 Mar 1020 Jun 10
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0
First run
27 Mar 10
Last run
20 Jun 10

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

By race type

Race typeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Hurdle30010.0%33.3%£478€0
Hurdle
Race type
Hurdle
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By going

GoingRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Good to Firm20010.0%50.0%£478€0
Good to Soft10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Good to Firm
Going
Good to Firm
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Good to Soft
Going
Good to Soft
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By distance

DistanceRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
2m to 2m1f20010.0%50.0%£478€0
2m6f to 3m1f10000.0%0.0%£0€0
2m to 2m1f
Distance
2m to 2m1f
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0
2m6f to 3m1f
Distance
2m6f to 3m1f
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Flat bands: 5f-6f, 7f-1m, 9f-11f, 12f-13f, 14f+. NH bands: 2m-2m1f, 2m2f-2m5f, 2m6f-3m1f, 3m2f+.

By course

CourseRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Bangor-on-Dee10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Hereford10010.0%100.0%£478€0
Wincanton10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Bangor-on-Dee
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Hereford
Course
Hereford
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Wincanton
Course
Wincanton
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By class

ClassRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Class 430010.0%33.3%£478€0
Class 4
Class
Class 4
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Pattern (Group/Grade/Listed) shown ahead of class. Irish races carry no class, so they are grouped as handicap or non-handicap.

By field size

RunnersRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
6 to 8 runners10000.0%0.0%£0€0
9 to 12 runners10000.0%0.0%£0€0
13 to 16 runners10010.0%100.0%£478€0
6 to 8 runners
Runners
6 to 8 runners
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
9 to 12 runners
Runners
9 to 12 runners
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
13 to 16 runners
Runners
13 to 16 runners
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By month

MonthRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
March10000.0%0.0%£0€0
May10000.0%0.0%£0€0
June10010.0%100.0%£478€0
March
Month
March
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
May
Month
May
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
June
Month
June
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By jockey

JockeyRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Andrew Thornton10000.0%0.0%£0€0
D P Fahy10010.0%100.0%£478€0
Paul Moloney10000.0%0.0%£0€0
Andrew Thornton
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
D P Fahy
Jockey
D P Fahy
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Paul Moloney
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By trainer

TrainerRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Evan Williams30010.0%33.3%£478€0
Evan Williams
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

By headgear

HeadgearRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
No headgear30010.0%33.3%£478€0
No headgear
Headgear
No headgear
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
33.3%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Headgear codes as declared: b blinkers, v visor, p cheekpieces, t tongue strap, h hood, e/s eyeshield.

By days since last run

Days since last runRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Debut / no previous run10000.0%0.0%£0€0
31 to 60 days20010.0%50.0%£478€0
Debut / no previous run
Days since last run
Debut / no previous run
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
31 to 60 days
Days since last run
31 to 60 days
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
50.0%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Counted from the previous run in Britain or Ireland; runs abroad are not seen.

Pedigree

Pedigree

Sire branchTalkin Man (CAN)

Parent · 1

  1. SireTalkin Man (CAN)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's damNot traced

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Sire's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's sire's damNot traced
  3. Sire's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchHonest-Lady (IRE)

Parent · 1

  1. DamHonest-Lady (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Dam's sireHays (GB)
  2. Dam's damKylemore Abbey (GB)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Dam's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Dam's sire's damNot traced
  3. Dam's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Dam's dam's damNot traced
Talkin Man (CAN)
Honest-Lady (IRE)
Not traced
Not traced
Hays (GB)
Kylemore Abbey (GB)
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced

Breeding card

HorseWhenwehadmoney (IRE)
Sexgelding
Foaled2004
SireTalkin Man (CAN)
DamHonest-Lady (IRE)
DamsireHays (GB)
2nd damKylemore Abbey (GB)
Dam's produce0 winners from 2 runners
Notable siblingJim Jas (IRE)

Female line

  1. Honest-Lady (IRE) · by Hays (GB) · 0 winners from 2 runners
  2. Kylemore Abbey (GB) · 1 winners from 4 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

SireDamDamsireSexSire's avg winning distanceDamsire's avg winning distance
Talkin Man (CAN)Honest-Lady (IRE)Hays (GB)geldingFlat 8.3f · NH 2m1fNH 2m2f
Talkin Man (CAN)
Damsire
Hays (GB)
Sex
gelding
Sire's avg winning distance
Flat 8.3f · NH 2m1f
Damsire's avg winning distance
NH 2m2f

Progeny of Talkin Man (CAN) in this horse's best conditions

ConditionRunsWinsPlacedWin %Place %This horse runsThis horse wins
All National Hunt runs22512465.3%20.4%30
At 2m to 2m1f1329306.8%22.7%20
On Good to firm or firmer going30296.7%30.0%20
At 2m to 2m1f on Good to firm or firmer going182811.1%44.4%10
All National Hunt runs
Condition
All National Hunt runs
Runs
225
Wins
12
Placed
46
Win %
5.3%
Place %
20.4%
This horse runs
3
This horse wins
0
At 2m to 2m1f
Condition
At 2m to 2m1f
Runs
132
Wins
9
Placed
30
Win %
6.8%
Place %
22.7%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
0
On Good to firm or firmer going
Condition
On Good to firm or firmer going
Runs
30
Wins
2
Placed
9
Win %
6.7%
Place %
30.0%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
0
At 2m to 2m1f on Good to firm or firmer going
Condition
At 2m to 2m1f on Good to firm or firmer going
Runs
18
Wins
2
Placed
8
Win %
11.1%
Place %
44.4%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
0

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Talkin Man (CAN) × Hays mares (the cross)

CodeRunnersWinnersWinners %Black-type winnersRunsWins2nd/3rdWin %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
National Hunt100.0%03010.0%£478€0
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Runners
1
Winners
0
Winners %
0.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
3
Wins
0
2nd/3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.

Best of the cross

HorseRunsWinsBlack-type winsPrize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Whenwehadmoney (IRE)300£478€0
Whenwehadmoney (IRE)
Runs
3
Wins
0
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£478
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Family

Dam summary

Honest-Lady (IRE)

G1 winners
0
Produce
0 winners from 2 runners

Full siblings

No other foal by Talkin Man (CAN) out of Honest-Lady (IRE) has raced in Britain or Ireland.

Half siblings

By Eve's Error (IRE)

Female line

  1. 1Honest-Lady (IRE) · by Hays (GB)
  2. 2Kylemore Abbey (GB)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

View full Kylemore Abbey family

In brief

When was Whenwehadmoney foaled?

Whenwehadmoney (IRE) was foaled in 2004.

Who are the sire and dam of Whenwehadmoney?

Whenwehadmoney (IRE) is by Talkin Man (CAN) out of Honest-Lady (IRE), a daughter of Hays (GB).

Who trained Whenwehadmoney?

Whenwehadmoney (IRE) was trained by Evan Williams and owned by J Hutchinson at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is Whenwehadmoney's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, Whenwehadmoney (IRE) ran 3 times without winning.

Is Whenwehadmoney still racing?

Whenwehadmoney (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 20 June 2010 at Hereford in the toteplacepot Conditional Jockeys' Novices' Hurdle, finishing 3rd of 14, and has not run there since.

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