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Horse profile
Whentodream
- TrainerMarco Botti
- OwnerGiuliano Manfredini
- FamilyMiss Krispy
- Sex
- colt
- Foaled
- 2005
- Highest OR
- 75
- Record (GB & IRE)
- 0 wins from 1 run (0%)
- Prize money (GB & IRE)
- £337 GB
- Last official rating
- 75 (Flat)
- Last run (GB & IRE)
- 16 Oct 2008, Chelmsford (AW) (3/10)
- Last win (GB & IRE)
- Never won
Form
Race record
| Date | Course | Pos | SP | Btn | Jockey | Trainer | Race | Class | Type | Dist | Going | Wgt | OR | Winner / 2nd | Winner prize | Future form |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 16 Oct 08 | Chelmsford (AW) | 3/10 | 16/1 | 1½ | John Egan | Marco Botti | greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes | Class 6 | Flat AW | 1m2f | Standard | 9-3 | 75 | Sabre Light (GB) | £2,267 | 2/8 |
- 3/1016 Oct 08 · Chelmsford (AW)16/1
greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes
Class 61m2fStandard
All fields
- Date
- 16 Oct 08
- Course
- Chelmsford (AW)
- Pos
- 3/10
- SP
- 16/1
- Btn
- 1½
- Jockey
- John Egan
- Trainer
- Marco Botti
- Race
- greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes
- Class
- Class 6
- Type
- Flat AW
- Dist
- 1m2f
- Going
- Standard
- Wgt
- 9-3
- OR
- 75
- Winner / 2nd
- Sabre Light (GB)
- Winner prize
- £2,267
- Future form
- 2/8
Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.
Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races
| Date | Course | Race | This horse | Winner next time | Their pos | Won on | At | Race won |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 16 Oct 08 | Chelmsford (AW) | greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes | 3/10 | Wabbraan (USA) | 2 | 19 Feb 09 | Southwell (AW) | Bet 1% In Running - Betdaq Selling Stakes |
| 16 Oct 08 | Chelmsford (AW) | greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes | 3/10 | Tropical Tradition (IRE) | 6 | 14 Nov 08 | Kempton (AW) | Bet Multiples - Betdaq Classified Stakes |
- 3/1016 Oct 08 · Chelmsford (AW)
greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes
All fields
- Date
- 16 Oct 08
- Course
- Chelmsford (AW)
- Race
- greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes
- This horse
- 3/10
- Winner next time
- Wabbraan (USA)
- Their pos
- 2
- Won on
- 19 Feb 09
- At
- Southwell (AW)
- Race won
- Bet 1% In Running - Betdaq Selling Stakes
- 3/1016 Oct 08 · Chelmsford (AW)
greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes
All fields
- Date
- 16 Oct 08
- Course
- Chelmsford (AW)
- Race
- greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes
- This horse
- 3/10
- Winner next time
- Tropical Tradition (IRE)
- Their pos
- 6
- Won on
- 14 Nov 08
- At
- Kempton (AW)
- Race won
- Bet Multiples - Betdaq Classified Stakes
Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).
Trainer changes
| Trainer | First run | Last run | First run for yard | OR first run | OR last run | Best OR | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Marco Botti | 16 Oct 08 | 16 Oct 08 | 3/10 | 75 | 75 | 75 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | £337 | €0 |
Marco Botti
- Trainer
- Marco Botti
- First run
- 16 Oct 08
- Last run
- 16 Oct 08
- First run for yard
- 3/10
- OR first run
- 75
- OR last run
- 75
- Best OR
- 75
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £337
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.
Stats
Career summary by code (GB & IRE)
| Code | Runs | Wins | 2nd | 3rd | Win % | Place % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) | Best OR | First run | Last run |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | £337 | €0 | 75 | 16 Oct 08 | 16 Oct 08 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd
- 0
- 3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Place %
- Prize GB (£)
- £337
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
- Best OR
- 75
- First run
- 16 Oct 08
- Last run
- 16 Oct 08
Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.
Pedigree
Pedigree
Sire branchWhere Or When (IRE)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Sire's sireDanehill Dancer (IRE)
- Sire's damFuture Past (USA)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Sire's sire's sireNot traced
- Sire's sire's damNot traced
- Sire's dam's sireNot traced
- Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchSnow Shoes (GB)
Parent · 1
Grandparents · 2
- Dam's sireSri Pekan (USA)
- Dam's damTundra (IRE)
Great-grandparents · 4
- Dam's sire's sireNot traced
- Dam's sire's damNot traced
- Dam's dam's sireCommon Grounds (GB)
- Dam's dam's damNot traced
Breeding card
Female line
- Snow Shoes (GB) · by Sri Pekan (USA) · 5 winners from 9 runners
- Tundra (IRE) · by Common Grounds (GB) · 1 winners from 1 runners
- Miss Krispy (FR) · 0 winners from 2 runners
Sire, dam and damsire
| Sire | Dam | Damsire | Sex | Sire's avg winning distance | Damsire's avg winning distance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Where Or When (IRE) | Snow Shoes (GB) | Sri Pekan (USA) | colt | Flat 10.2f · NH 2m1½f | Flat 7.6f · NH 2m3f |
Where Or When (IRE)
- Damsire
- Sri Pekan (USA)
- Sex
- colt
- Sire's avg winning distance
- Flat 10.2f · NH 2m1½f
- Damsire's avg winning distance
- Flat 7.6f · NH 2m3f
Progeny of Where Or When (IRE) in this horse's best conditions
| Condition | Runs | Wins | Placed | Win % | Place % | This horse runs | This horse wins |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| All Flat runs | 1,111 | 102 | 288 | 1 | 0 | ||
| At 9f to 11f | 335 | 36 | 97 | 1 | 0 | ||
| On AW going | 446 | 41 | 107 | 1 | 0 | ||
| At 9f to 11f on AW going | 133 | 18 | 39 | 1 | 0 |
All Flat runs
- Condition
- All Flat runs
- Runs
- 1,111
- Wins
- 102
- Placed
- 288
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
At 9f to 11f
- Condition
- At 9f to 11f
- Runs
- 335
- Wins
- 36
- Placed
- 97
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
On AW going
- Condition
- On AW going
- Runs
- 446
- Wins
- 41
- Placed
- 107
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
At 9f to 11f on AW going
- Condition
- At 9f to 11f on AW going
- Runs
- 133
- Wins
- 18
- Placed
- 39
- Win %
- Place %
- This horse runs
- 1
- This horse wins
- 0
Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.
Where Or When (IRE) × Sri Pekan mares (the cross)
| Code | Runners | Winners | Winners % | Black-type winners | Runs | Wins | 2nd/3rd | Win % | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | £337 | €0 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Runners
- 1
- Winners
- 0
- Winners %
- Black-type winners
- 0
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- 2nd/3rd
- 1
- Win %
- Prize GB (£)
- £337
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.
Best of the cross
| Horse | Runs | Wins | Black-type wins | Prize GB (£) | Prize IRE (€) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Whentodream (GB) | 1 | 0 | 0 | £337 | €0 |
Whentodream (GB)
- Horse
- Whentodream (GB)
- Runs
- 1
- Wins
- 0
- Black-type wins
- 0
- Prize GB (£)
- £337
- Prize IRE (€)
- €0
Top 12 by best win level, then wins.
Ratings
Official ratings
| Code | Current OR | Highest OR | Lowest OR | Rated runs |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 75 | 75 | 75 | 1 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Current OR
- 75
- Highest OR
- 75
- Lowest OR
- 75
- Rated runs
- 1
Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.
Official rating by run
| Date | Course | Code | OR | Pos |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 16 Oct 08 | Chelmsford (AW) | Flat | 75 | 3/10 |
- 3/1016 Oct 08 · Chelmsford (AW)
All fields
- Date
- 16 Oct 08
- Course
- Chelmsford (AW)
- Code
- Flat
- OR
- 75
- Pos
- 3/10
Current mark v winning marks
| Code | Current OR | OR last run | Change | Highest OR | v highest |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Flat | 75 | 75 | 0 | 75 | 0 |
Flat
- Code
- Flat
- Current OR
- 75
- OR last run
- 75
- Change
- 0
- Highest OR
- 75
- v highest
- 0
Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.
Family
Dam summary
- G1 winners
- 0
- Produce
- 5 winners from 9 runners
Full siblings
No other foal by Where Or When (IRE) out of Snow Shoes (GB) has raced in Britain or Ireland.
Half siblings
By Dansili (GB)
- Respect My Wishes (GB)0W · 4R
By Tobougg (IRE)
- Towthorpe (GB)0W · 7R
By Iceman (GB)
- Snow Trooper (GB)5W · 26R
By Avonbridge (GB)
- Evacusafe Lady (GB)4W · 59R
By Kheleyf (USA)
- Fridge Kid (GB)0W · 9R
- Teversham (GB)3W · 17R
By Archipenko (USA)
- See You Mush (GB)1W · 19R
By Epaulette (AUS)
- Badger Berry (GB)2W · 19R
Female line
- 1Snow Shoes (GB) · by Sri Pekan (USA)
- 2Tundra (IRE) · by Common Grounds (GB)
- 3Miss Krispy (FR)
Notable relatives
No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.
In brief
When was Whentodream foaled?
Whentodream (GB) was foaled in 2005.
Who are the sire and dam of Whentodream?
Whentodream (GB) is by Where Or When (IRE) out of Snow Shoes (GB), a daughter of Sri Pekan (USA).
Who trained Whentodream?
Whentodream (GB) was trained by Marco Botti and owned by Giuliano Manfredini at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.
What is Whentodream's race record?
In Britain and Ireland, Whentodream (GB) ran 1 time without winning.
What was Whentodream's official rating?
Whentodream (GB) was last officially rated 75 on the Flat (also the career high).
Is Whentodream still racing?
Whentodream (GB) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 16 October 2008 at Chelmsford (AW) in the greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes, finishing 3rd of 10, and has not run there since.
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