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Whentodream (GB) silks

Horse profile

Whentodream

Sex
colt
Foaled
2005
Highest OR
75
Record (GB & IRE)
0 wins from 1 run (0%)
Prize money (GB & IRE)
£337 GB
Last official rating
75 (Flat)
Last run (GB & IRE)
16 Oct 2008, Chelmsford (AW) (3/10)
Last win (GB & IRE)
Never won
Recent form
3

Form

Race record

DateCoursePosSPBtnJockeyTrainerRaceClassTypeDistGoingWgtORWinner / 2ndWinner prizeFuture form
16 Oct 08Chelmsford (AW)3/1016/11½John EganMarco Bottigreatleighs.com Claiming StakesClass 6Flat AW1m2fStandard9-375Sabre Light (GB)£2,2672/8
  • 3/1016 Oct 08 · Chelmsford (AW)16/1

    greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes

    Class 61m2fStandard

    All fields
    Date
    16 Oct 08
    Course
    Chelmsford (AW)
    Pos
    3/10
    SP
    16/1
    Btn
    1½
    Jockey
    John Egan
    Race
    greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes
    Class
    Class 6
    Type
    Flat AW
    Dist
    1m2f
    Going
    Standard
    Wgt
    9-3
    OR
    75
    Winner / 2nd
    Sabre Light (GB)
    Winner prize
    £2,267
    Future form
    2/8

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

DateCourseRaceThis horseWinner next timeTheir posWon onAtRace won
16 Oct 08Chelmsford (AW)greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes3/10Wabbraan (USA)219 Feb 09Southwell (AW)Bet 1% In Running - Betdaq Selling Stakes
16 Oct 08Chelmsford (AW)greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes3/10Tropical Tradition (IRE)614 Nov 08Kempton (AW)Bet Multiples - Betdaq Classified Stakes
  • 3/1016 Oct 08 · Chelmsford (AW)

    greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes

    All fields
    Date
    16 Oct 08
    Course
    Chelmsford (AW)
    Race
    greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes
    This horse
    3/10
    Winner next time
    Wabbraan (USA)
    Their pos
    2
    Won on
    19 Feb 09
    At
    Southwell (AW)
    Race won
    Bet 1% In Running - Betdaq Selling Stakes
  • 3/1016 Oct 08 · Chelmsford (AW)

    greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes

    All fields
    Date
    16 Oct 08
    Course
    Chelmsford (AW)
    Race
    greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes
    This horse
    3/10
    Winner next time
    Tropical Tradition (IRE)
    Their pos
    6
    Won on
    14 Nov 08
    At
    Kempton (AW)
    Race won
    Bet Multiples - Betdaq Classified Stakes

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

TrainerFirst runLast runFirst run for yardOR first runOR last runBest ORRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Marco Botti16 Oct 0816 Oct 083/1075757510010.0%100.0%£337€0
Marco Botti
First run
16 Oct 08
Last run
16 Oct 08
First run for yard
3/10
OR first run
75
OR last run
75
Best OR
75
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£337
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

CodeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)Best ORFirst runLast run
Flat10010.0%100.0%£337€07516 Oct 0816 Oct 08
Flat
Code
Flat
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Place %
100.0%
Prize GB (£)
£337
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Best OR
75
First run
16 Oct 08
Last run
16 Oct 08

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

Pedigree

Pedigree

Sire branchWhere Or When (IRE)

Parent · 1

  1. SireWhere Or When (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Sire's sireDanehill Dancer (IRE)
  2. Sire's damFuture Past (USA)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Sire's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's sire's damNot traced
  3. Sire's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchSnow Shoes (GB)

Parent · 1

  1. DamSnow Shoes (GB)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Dam's sireSri Pekan (USA)
  2. Dam's damTundra (IRE)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Dam's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Dam's sire's damNot traced
  3. Dam's dam's sireCommon Grounds (GB)
  4. Dam's dam's damNot traced
Tundra (IRE)
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Common Grounds (GB)
Not traced

Breeding card

HorseWhentodream (GB)
Sexcolt
Foaled2005
SireWhere Or When (IRE)
DamSnow Shoes (GB)
DamsireSri Pekan (USA)
Sire's sireDanehill Dancer (IRE)
Sire's damFuture Past (USA)
2nd damTundra (IRE)
2nd dam's sireCommon Grounds (GB)
Dam's produce5 winners from 9 runners
Notable siblingRespect My Wishes (GB)

Female line

  1. Snow Shoes (GB) · by Sri Pekan (USA) · 5 winners from 9 runners
  2. Tundra (IRE) · by Common Grounds (GB) · 1 winners from 1 runners
  3. Miss Krispy (FR) · 0 winners from 2 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

SireDamDamsireSexSire's avg winning distanceDamsire's avg winning distance
Where Or When (IRE)Snow Shoes (GB)Sri Pekan (USA)coltFlat 10.2f · NH 2m1½fFlat 7.6f · NH 2m3f
Where Or When (IRE)
Sex
colt
Sire's avg winning distance
Flat 10.2f · NH 2m1½f
Damsire's avg winning distance
Flat 7.6f · NH 2m3f

Progeny of Where Or When (IRE) in this horse's best conditions

ConditionRunsWinsPlacedWin %Place %This horse runsThis horse wins
All Flat runs1,1111022889.2%25.9%10
At 9f to 11f335369710.7%29.0%10
On AW going446411079.2%24.0%10
At 9f to 11f on AW going133183913.5%29.3%10
All Flat runs
Condition
All Flat runs
Runs
1,111
Wins
102
Placed
288
Win %
9.2%
Place %
25.9%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
0
At 9f to 11f
Condition
At 9f to 11f
Runs
335
Wins
36
Placed
97
Win %
10.7%
Place %
29.0%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
0
On AW going
Condition
On AW going
Runs
446
Wins
41
Placed
107
Win %
9.2%
Place %
24.0%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
0
At 9f to 11f on AW going
Condition
At 9f to 11f on AW going
Runs
133
Wins
18
Placed
39
Win %
13.5%
Place %
29.3%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
0

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Where Or When (IRE) × Sri Pekan mares (the cross)

CodeRunnersWinnersWinners %Black-type winnersRunsWins2nd/3rdWin %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Flat100.0%01010.0%£337€0
Flat
Code
Flat
Runners
1
Winners
0
Winners %
0.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd/3rd
1
Win %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£337
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.

Best of the cross

HorseRunsWinsBlack-type winsPrize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Whentodream (GB)100£337€0
Whentodream (GB)
Runs
1
Wins
0
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£337
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Ratings

Official ratings

CodeCurrent ORHighest ORLowest ORRated runs
Flat7575751
Flat
Code
Flat
Current OR
75
Highest OR
75
Lowest OR
75
Rated runs
1

Current OR here is the mark carried on the latest run in each code; the page header uses a newer declared mark where one exists.

Official rating by run

DateCourseCodeORPos
16 Oct 08Chelmsford (AW)Flat753/10
  • 3/1016 Oct 08 · Chelmsford (AW)
    All fields
    Date
    16 Oct 08
    Course
    Chelmsford (AW)
    Code
    Flat
    OR
    75
    Pos
    3/10

Current mark v winning marks

CodeCurrent OROR last runChangeHighest ORv highest
Flat75750750
Flat
Code
Flat
Current OR
75
OR last run
75
Change
0
Highest OR
75
v highest
0

Differences are current OR minus the mark shown (positive = higher now). Current OR in the main code uses a newer declared or published mark where one exists.

Family

Dam summary

Snow Shoes (GB)

G1 winners
0
Produce
5 winners from 9 runners

Full siblings

No other foal by Where Or When (IRE) out of Snow Shoes (GB) has raced in Britain or Ireland.

Half siblings

By Dansili (GB)

By Tobougg (IRE)

By Iceman (GB)

By Avonbridge (GB)

By Kheleyf (USA)

By Archipenko (USA)

By Epaulette (AUS)

Female line

  1. 1Snow Shoes (GB) · by Sri Pekan (USA)
  2. 2Tundra (IRE) · by Common Grounds (GB)
  3. 3Miss Krispy (FR)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

View full Miss Krispy family

In brief

When was Whentodream foaled?

Whentodream (GB) was foaled in 2005.

Who are the sire and dam of Whentodream?

Whentodream (GB) is by Where Or When (IRE) out of Snow Shoes (GB), a daughter of Sri Pekan (USA).

Who trained Whentodream?

Whentodream (GB) was trained by Marco Botti and owned by Giuliano Manfredini at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is Whentodream's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, Whentodream (GB) ran 1 time without winning.

What was Whentodream's official rating?

Whentodream (GB) was last officially rated 75 on the Flat (also the career high).

Is Whentodream still racing?

Whentodream (GB) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 16 October 2008 at Chelmsford (AW) in the greatleighs.com Claiming Stakes, finishing 3rd of 10, and has not run there since.

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