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Horse profile

Waiting Forever

Witness Box (USA) × You Some Massini (IRE) (Dr Massini (IRE))

TrainerSue Smith
OwnerJohn Wade

Sex: gelding
Foaled: 2014
Colour: bay

Record (GB & IRE): 0 wins from 2 runs (0%)
Prize money (GB & IRE): £0
Last run (GB & IRE): 9 Mar 2021, Newcastle (9/15)
Last win (GB & IRE): Never won

Recent form

109

Form

Race record

Date	Course	Pos	SP	Btn	Jockey	Trainer	Race	Class	Type	Dist	Going	Wgt	Winner / 2nd	Winner prize	Days	Future form
9 Mar 21	Newcastle	9/15	66/1	dist	Ryan Mania	Sue Smith	QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle	Class 4	Hurdle	2m4½f	Good to Soft	11-2	Moonlight Beam (IRE)	£3,769	492	2/12
3 Nov 19	Carlisle	10/14	66/1	dist	Danny Cook	Sue Smith	Every Race Live On Racing TV Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race	Class 5	NH Flat	2m1f	Soft	11-0	Chuvelo (IRE)	£2,599	-	1/12

9/159 Mar 21 · Newcastle66/1
QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle
Class 42m4½fGood to Soft
All fields
Date
9 Mar 21
Course
Newcastle
Pos
9/15
SP
66/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Ryan Mania
Trainer
Sue Smith
Race
QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle
Class
Class 4
Type
Hurdle
Dist
2m4½f
Going
Good to Soft
Wgt
11-2
Winner / 2nd
Moonlight Beam (IRE)
Winner prize
£3,769
Days
492
Future form
2/12
10/143 Nov 19 · Carlisle66/1
Every Race Live On Racing TV Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
Class 52m1fSoft
All fields
Date
3 Nov 19
Course
Carlisle
Pos
10/14
SP
66/1
Btn
dist
Jockey
Danny Cook
Trainer
Sue Smith
Race
Every Race Live On Racing TV Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
Class
Class 5
Type
NH Flat
Dist
2m1f
Going
Soft
Wgt
11-0
Winner / 2nd
Chuvelo (IRE)
Winner prize
£2,599
Days
-
Future form
1/12

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

Date	Course	Race	This horse	Winner next time	Their pos	Won on	At	Race won
9 Mar 21	Newcastle	QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle	9/15	Moonlight Beam (IRE)	1	31 Mar 21	Hexham	Touring Caravan Sites Always Available Novices' Hurdle
9 Mar 21	Newcastle	QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle	9/15	Ripper Roo (FR)	3	19 Apr 21	Market Rasen	MansionBet App Maiden Hurdle
3 Nov 19	Carlisle	Every Race Live On Racing TV Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race	10/14	Chuvelo (IRE)	1	13 Dec 19	Bangor-on-Dee	Save The Children Christmas Jumper Day Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race

9/159 Mar 21 · Newcastle
QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle
All fields
Date
9 Mar 21
Course
Newcastle
Race
QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle
This horse
9/15
Winner next time
Moonlight Beam (IRE)
Their pos
1
Won on
31 Mar 21
At
Hexham
Race won
Touring Caravan Sites Always Available Novices' Hurdle
9/159 Mar 21 · Newcastle
QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle
All fields
Date
9 Mar 21
Course
Newcastle
Race
QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle
This horse
9/15
Winner next time
Ripper Roo (FR)
Their pos
3
Won on
19 Apr 21
At
Market Rasen
Race won
MansionBet App Maiden Hurdle
10/143 Nov 19 · Carlisle
Every Race Live On Racing TV Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
All fields
Date
3 Nov 19
Course
Carlisle
Race
Every Race Live On Racing TV Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race
This horse
10/14
Winner next time
Chuvelo (IRE)
Their pos
1
Won on
13 Dec 19
At
Bangor-on-Dee
Race won
Save The Children Christmas Jumper Day Intermediate Open National Hunt Flat Race

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

Trainer	First run	Last run	First run for yard	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Sue Smith	3 Nov 19	9 Mar 21	10/14	2	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Sue Smith

Trainer: Sue Smith
First run: 3 Nov 19
Last run: 9 Mar 21
First run for yard: 10/14
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

Code	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)	First run	Last run
National Hunt	2	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0	3 Nov 19	9 Mar 21

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0
First run: 3 Nov 19
Last run: 9 Mar 21

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

Pedigree

Sire branchWitness Box (USA)

Parent · 1

SireWitness Box (USA)

Grandparents · 2

Sire's sireLyphard (USA)
Sire's damExcellent Alibi (USA)

Great-grandparents · 4

Sire's sire's sireNot traced
Sire's sire's damNot traced
Sire's dam's sireNot traced
Sire's dam's damNot traced

Dam branchYou Some Massini (IRE)

Parent · 1

DamYou Some Massini (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

Dam's sireDr Massini (IRE)
Dam's damNot traced

Great-grandparents · 4

Dam's sire's sireNot traced
Dam's sire's damNot traced
Dam's dam's sireNot traced
Dam's dam's damNot traced

Witness Box (USA)

You Some Massini (IRE)

Lyphard (USA)

Excellent Alibi (USA)

Dr Massini (IRE)

Not traced

Breeding card

HorseWaiting Forever (IRE)

Sexgelding

Foaled2014

SireWitness Box (USA)

DamYou Some Massini (IRE)

DamsireDr Massini (IRE)

Sire's sireLyphard (USA)

Sire's damExcellent Alibi (USA)

Dam's produce1 winners from 3 runners

Notable siblingBallytier Warrior (IRE)

Female line

You Some Massini (IRE) · 1 winners from 3 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

Sire	Dam	Damsire	Breeder	Foaled	Colour	Sex	Sire's avg winning distance	Damsire's avg winning distance
Witness Box (USA)	You Some Massini (IRE)	Dr Massini (IRE)	M Fogarty	22 Apr 14	bay	gelding	NH 2m5f	Flat 12.1f · NH 2m4½f

Witness Box (USA)

Sire: Witness Box (USA)
Dam: You Some Massini (IRE)
Damsire: Dr Massini (IRE)
Breeder: M Fogarty
Foaled: 22 Apr 14
Colour: bay
Sex: gelding
Sire's avg winning distance: NH 2m5f
Damsire's avg winning distance: Flat 12.1f · NH 2m4½f

Progeny of Witness Box (USA) in this horse's best conditions

Condition	Runs	Wins	Placed	Win %	Place %	This horse runs
All National Hunt runs	3,226	295	838	9.1%	26.0%	2
At 2m to 2m1f	727	56	170	7.7%	23.4%	1
On Good to soft or yielding going	619	54	154	8.7%	24.9%	1
At 2m to 2m1f on Good to soft or yielding going	124	8	26	6.5%	21.0%	0

All National Hunt runs

Condition: All National Hunt runs
Runs: 3,226
Wins: 295
Placed: 838
Win %: 9.1%
Place %: 26.0%
This horse runs: 2
This horse wins: 0

At 2m to 2m1f

Condition: At 2m to 2m1f
Runs: 727
Wins: 56
Placed: 170
Win %: 7.7%
Place %: 23.4%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

On Good to soft or yielding going

Condition: On Good to soft or yielding going
Runs: 619
Wins: 54
Placed: 154
Win %: 8.7%
Place %: 24.9%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

At 2m to 2m1f on Good to soft or yielding going

Condition: At 2m to 2m1f on Good to soft or yielding going
Runs: 124
Wins: 8
Placed: 26
Win %: 6.5%
Place %: 21.0%
This horse runs: 0
This horse wins: 0

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Witness Box (USA) × Dr Massini (IRE) mares (the cross)

Code	Runners	Winners	Winners %	Black-type winners	Runs	Wins	2nd/3rd	Win %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
National Hunt	2	1	50.0%	0	49	8	13	16.3%	£79,851	€0

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Runners: 2
Winners: 1
Winners %: 50.0%
Black-type winners: 0
Runs: 49
Wins: 8
2nd/3rd: 13
Win %: 16.3%
Prize GB (£): £79,851
Prize IRE (€): €0

Small sample (under 5 runners): read with care. Includes this horse.

Best of the cross

Horse	Runs	Wins	Black-type wins	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Witness In Court (IRE)	47	8	0	£79,851	€0
Waiting Forever (IRE)	2	0	0	£0	€0

Witness In Court (IRE)

Horse: Witness In Court (IRE)
Runs: 47
Wins: 8
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £79,851
Prize IRE (€): €0

Waiting Forever (IRE)

Horse: Waiting Forever (IRE)
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Family

Dam summary

You Some Massini (IRE)

G1 winners: 0
Produce: 1 winners from 3 runners

Full siblings

No other foal by Witness Box (USA) out of You Some Massini (IRE) has raced in Britain or Ireland.

Half siblings

By Catcher In The Rye (IRE)

Ballytier Warrior (IRE)0W · 6R

By Dylan Thomas (IRE)

You Some Boy (IRE)4W · 16R

Female line

1You Some Massini (IRE)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

In brief

When was Waiting Forever foaled?

Waiting Forever (IRE), a bay racehorse, was foaled on 22 April 2014.

Who are the sire and dam of Waiting Forever?

Waiting Forever (IRE) is by Witness Box (USA) out of You Some Massini (IRE), a daughter of Dr Massini (IRE), and was bred by M Fogarty.

Who trained Waiting Forever?

Waiting Forever (IRE) was trained by Sue Smith and owned by John Wade at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is Waiting Forever's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, Waiting Forever (IRE) ran 2 times without winning.

Is Waiting Forever still racing?

Waiting Forever (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 9 March 2021 at Newcastle in the QuinnBet Novices' Hurdle, finishing 9th of 15, and has not run there since.