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Horse profile

Under Discussion

Shirocco (GER) × Molly's Case (IRE) (Saddlers' Hall (IRE))

TrainerWarren Greatrex
OwnerMrs Julien Turner

Sex: gelding
Foaled: 2016
Colour: bay

Record (GB & IRE): 0 wins from 1 run (0%)
Prize money (GB & IRE): £0
Last run (GB & IRE): 19 Apr 2021, Hexham (6/9)
Last win (GB & IRE): Never won

Recent form

Form

Race record

Date	Course	Pos	SP	Btn	Jockey	Trainer	Race	Class	Type	Dist	Going	Wgt	Winner / 2nd	Winner prize	Future form
19 Apr 21	Hexham	6/9	7/2C	19	Caoilin Quinn	Warren Greatrex	Follow @hexhamraces On Twitter Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race (Div I)	Class 5	NH Flat	2m	Good	10-7	Fringill Dike (IRE)	£1,906	0/8

6/919 Apr 21 · Hexham7/2C
Follow @hexhamraces On Twitter Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race (Div I)
Class 52mGood
All fields
Date
19 Apr 21
Course
Hexham
Pos
6/9
SP
7/2C
Btn
19
Jockey
Caoilin Quinn
Trainer
Warren Greatrex
Race
Follow @hexhamraces On Twitter Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race (Div I)
Class
Class 5
Type
NH Flat
Dist
2m
Going
Good
Wgt
10-7
Winner / 2nd
Fringill Dike (IRE)
Winner prize
£1,906
Future form
0/8

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Trainer changes

Trainer	First run	Last run	First run for yard	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Warren Greatrex	19 Apr 21	19 Apr 21	6/9	1	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0

Warren Greatrex

Trainer: Warren Greatrex
First run: 19 Apr 21
Last run: 19 Apr 21
First run for yard: 6/9
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

Code	Runs	Wins	2nd	3rd	Win %	Place %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)	First run	Last run
National Hunt	1	0	0	0	0.0%	0.0%	£0	€0	19 Apr 21	19 Apr 21

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
2nd: 0
3rd: 0
Win %: 0.0%
Place %: 0.0%
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0
First run: 19 Apr 21
Last run: 19 Apr 21

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

Pedigree

Sire branchShirocco (GER)

Parent · 1

SireShirocco (GER)

Grandparents · 2

Sire's sireMonsun (GER)
Sire's damSo Sedulous (USA)

Great-grandparents · 4

Sire's sire's sireNot traced
Sire's sire's damNot traced
Sire's dam's sireNot traced
Sire's dam's damNot traced

Dam branchMolly's Case (IRE)

Parent · 1

DamMolly's Case (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

Dam's sireSaddlers' Hall (IRE)
Dam's damNot traced

Great-grandparents · 4

Dam's sire's sireNot traced
Dam's sire's damNot traced
Dam's dam's sireNot traced
Dam's dam's damNot traced

Shirocco (GER)

Molly's Case (IRE)

Monsun (GER)

So Sedulous (USA)

Saddlers' Hall (IRE)

Not traced

Breeding card

HorseUnder Discussion (IRE)

Sexgelding

Foaled2016

SireShirocco (GER)

DamMolly's Case (IRE)

DamsireSaddlers' Hall (IRE)

Sire's sireMonsun (GER)

Sire's damSo Sedulous (USA)

Dam's produce2 winners from 4 runners

Notable siblingErnie Bilko (IRE)

Female line

Molly's Case (IRE) · 2 winners from 4 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

Sire	Dam	Damsire	Breeder	Foaled	Colour	Sex	Sire's avg winning distance	Damsire's avg winning distance
Shirocco (GER)	Molly's Case (IRE)	Saddlers' Hall (IRE)	Kilfeacle Stud	10 May 16	bay	gelding	Flat 12.1f · NH 2m4f	Flat 9.6f · NH 2m4f

Shirocco (GER)

Sire: Shirocco (GER)
Dam: Molly's Case (IRE)
Damsire: Saddlers' Hall (IRE)
Breeder: Kilfeacle Stud
Foaled: 10 May 16
Colour: bay
Sex: gelding
Sire's avg winning distance: Flat 12.1f · NH 2m4f
Damsire's avg winning distance: Flat 9.6f · NH 2m4f

Progeny of Shirocco (GER) in this horse's best conditions

Condition	Runs	Wins	Placed	Win %	Place %	This horse runs
All National Hunt runs	6,791	787	1,823	11.6%	26.8%	1
At 2m to 2m1f	2,533	257	619	10.1%	24.4%	1
On Good going	2,646	299	710	11.3%	26.8%	1
At 2m to 2m1f on Good going	916	86	216	9.4%	23.6%	1

All National Hunt runs

Condition: All National Hunt runs
Runs: 6,791
Wins: 787
Placed: 1,823
Win %: 11.6%
Place %: 26.8%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

At 2m to 2m1f

Condition: At 2m to 2m1f
Runs: 2,533
Wins: 257
Placed: 619
Win %: 10.1%
Place %: 24.4%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

On Good going

Condition: On Good going
Runs: 2,646
Wins: 299
Placed: 710
Win %: 11.3%
Place %: 26.8%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

At 2m to 2m1f on Good going

Condition: At 2m to 2m1f on Good going
Runs: 916
Wins: 86
Placed: 216
Win %: 9.4%
Place %: 23.6%
This horse runs: 1
This horse wins: 0

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Shirocco (GER) × Saddlers' Hall (IRE) mares (the cross)

Code	Runners	Winners	Winners %	Runs	Wins	2nd/3rd	Win %	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
National Hunt	11	4	36.4%	105	11	30	10.5%	£95,891	€37,561
Flat	1	1	100.0%	21	1	7	4.8%	£8,397	€0
All runs	11	5	45.5%	126	12	37	9.5%	£104,288	€37,561

National Hunt

Code: National Hunt
Runners: 11
Winners: 4
Winners %: 36.4%
Black-type winners: 0
Runs: 105
Wins: 11
2nd/3rd: 30
Win %: 10.5%
Prize GB (£): £95,891
Prize IRE (€): €37,561

Flat

Code: Flat
Runners: 1
Winners: 1
Winners %: 100.0%
Black-type winners: 0
Runs: 21
Wins: 1
2nd/3rd: 7
Win %: 4.8%
Prize GB (£): £8,397
Prize IRE (€): €0

All runs

Code: All runs
Runners: 11
Winners: 5
Winners %: 45.5%
Black-type winners: 0
Runs: 126
Wins: 12
2nd/3rd: 37
Win %: 9.5%
Prize GB (£): £104,288
Prize IRE (€): €37,561

All British and Irish runners by this sire out of mares by this damsire, since 1990 (includes this horse). Black type = Group/Grade 1-3 or Listed winner.

Best of the cross

Horse	Runs	Wins	Prize GB (£)	Prize IRE (€)
Yealand (IRE)	17	5	£42,875	€0
Alfie's Princess (IRE)	11	3	£43,004	€0
Natural Breeze (IRE)	36	2	£0	€34,745
Ernie Bilko (IRE)	7	1	£3,745	€0
Ochos Rios (GB)	27	1	£9,637	€0
Under Discussion (IRE)	1	0	£0	€0
Atha Solas (IRE)	2	0	£0	€0
Call Me Rocco (IRE)	4	0	£0	€200
Thetownilovedsowel (IRE)	4	0	£0	€0
Secret Artist (IRE)	8	0	£0	€2,616
Rachel Louise (GB)	9	0	£5,027	€0

Yealand (IRE)

Horse: Yealand (IRE)
Runs: 17
Wins: 5
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £42,875
Prize IRE (€): €0

Alfie's Princess (IRE)

Horse: Alfie's Princess (IRE)
Runs: 11
Wins: 3
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £43,004
Prize IRE (€): €0

Natural Breeze (IRE)

Horse: Natural Breeze (IRE)
Runs: 36
Wins: 2
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €34,745

Ernie Bilko (IRE)

Horse: Ernie Bilko (IRE)
Runs: 7
Wins: 1
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £3,745
Prize IRE (€): €0

Ochos Rios (GB)

Horse: Ochos Rios (GB)
Runs: 27
Wins: 1
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £9,637
Prize IRE (€): €0

Under Discussion (IRE)

Horse: Under Discussion (IRE)
Runs: 1
Wins: 0
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Atha Solas (IRE)

Horse: Atha Solas (IRE)
Runs: 2
Wins: 0
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Call Me Rocco (IRE)

Horse: Call Me Rocco (IRE)
Runs: 4
Wins: 0
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €200

Thetownilovedsowel (IRE)

Horse: Thetownilovedsowel (IRE)
Runs: 4
Wins: 0
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €0

Secret Artist (IRE)

Horse: Secret Artist (IRE)
Runs: 8
Wins: 0
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £0
Prize IRE (€): €2,616

Rachel Louise (GB)

Horse: Rachel Louise (GB)
Runs: 9
Wins: 0
Black-type wins: 0
Prize GB (£): £5,027
Prize IRE (€): €0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Family

Dam summary

Molly's Case (IRE)

G1 winners: 0
Produce: 2 winners from 4 runners

Full siblings

Ernie Bilko (IRE)1W · 7R

Half siblings

By Jeremy (USA)

Broomfield Hall (IRE)5W · 19R

By Jukebox Jury (IRE)

Rumi Rock (IRE)0W · 4R

Female line

1Molly's Case (IRE)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

In brief

When was Under Discussion foaled?

Under Discussion (IRE), a bay racehorse, was foaled on 10 May 2016.

Who are the sire and dam of Under Discussion?

Under Discussion (IRE) is by Shirocco (GER) out of Molly's Case (IRE), a daughter of Saddlers' Hall (IRE), and was bred by Kilfeacle Stud.

Who trained Under Discussion?

Under Discussion (IRE) was trained by Warren Greatrex and owned by Mrs Julien Turner at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is Under Discussion's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, Under Discussion (IRE) ran 1 time without winning.

Is Under Discussion still racing?

Under Discussion (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 19 April 2021 at Hexham in the Follow @hexhamraces On Twitter Standard Open National Hunt Flat Race, finishing 6th of 9, and has not run there since.