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Horse profile

So They Say (IRE)

Beneficial (GB) × Cadew Point (IRE) (Be My Native (USA))
Sex
gelding
Foaled
2006

See also: So They Say (GB) · Lucinda Russell · 9 runs · 1 win

Record (GB & IRE)
0 wins from 2 runs (0%)
Prize money (GB & IRE)
£0
Last run (GB & IRE)
20 Mar 2011, Cork (IRE) (14/18)
Last win (GB & IRE)
Never won
Recent form
614

Form

Race record

DateCoursePosSPBtnJockeyTrainerRaceClassTypeDistGoingWgtWinner / 2ndWinner prizeDaysFuture form
20 Mar 11Cork (IRE)14/1814/1distA E LynchPaul John GilliganStudent Raceday March 31st Maiden HurdleNon-handicap (unclassified)Hurdle2mYielding to Soft11-12Baily Dusk (IRE)€6,9001470/17
24 Oct 10Galway (IRE)6/810/1distBrian CawleyPaul John GilliganT.V.O'Brien Memorial (Pro/Am) INH Flat RaceNon-handicap (unclassified)NH Flat2mGood11-3Dylan Ross (IRE)€6,555-2/7
  • 14/1820 Mar 11 · Cork (IRE)14/1

    Student Raceday March 31st Maiden Hurdle

    Non-handicap (unclassified)2mYielding to Soft

    All fields
    Date
    20 Mar 11
    Pos
    14/18
    SP
    14/1
    Btn
    dist
    Jockey
    A E Lynch
    Race
    Student Raceday March 31st Maiden Hurdle
    Class
    Non-handicap (unclassified)
    Type
    Hurdle
    Dist
    2m
    Going
    Yielding to Soft
    Wgt
    11-12
    Winner / 2nd
    Baily Dusk (IRE)
    Winner prize
    €6,900
    Days
    147
    Future form
    0/17
  • 6/824 Oct 10 · Galway (IRE)10/1

    T.V.O'Brien Memorial (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race

    Non-handicap (unclassified)2mGood

    All fields
    Date
    24 Oct 10
    Pos
    6/8
    SP
    10/1
    Btn
    dist
    Race
    T.V.O'Brien Memorial (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race
    Class
    Non-handicap (unclassified)
    Type
    NH Flat
    Dist
    2m
    Going
    Good
    Wgt
    11-3
    Winner / 2nd
    Dylan Ross (IRE)
    Winner prize
    €6,555
    Days
    -
    Future form
    2/7

Every British and Irish run since 1990, latest first. Btn is the overall distance beaten (lengths). Where the horse won, the runner-up and winning margin are shown.

Future form: next-time-out winners from this horse's races

DateCourseRaceThis horseWinner next timeTheir posWon onAtRace won
24 Oct 10Galway (IRE)T.V.O'Brien Memorial (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race6/8Dylan Ross (IRE)15 Nov 10Down Royal (IRE)Archie Watson Memorial INH Flat Race
24 Oct 10Galway (IRE)T.V.O'Brien Memorial (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race6/8He's Our Man (IRE)230 Oct 10Naas (IRE)Thoroughbred County (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race
  • 6/824 Oct 10 · Galway (IRE)

    T.V.O'Brien Memorial (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race

    All fields
    Date
    24 Oct 10
    Race
    T.V.O'Brien Memorial (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race
    This horse
    6/8
    Winner next time
    Dylan Ross (IRE)
    Their pos
    1
    Won on
    5 Nov 10
    Race won
    Archie Watson Memorial INH Flat Race
  • 6/824 Oct 10 · Galway (IRE)

    T.V.O'Brien Memorial (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race

    All fields
    Date
    24 Oct 10
    Race
    T.V.O'Brien Memorial (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race
    This horse
    6/8
    Winner next time
    He's Our Man (IRE)
    Their pos
    2
    Won on
    30 Oct 10
    Race won
    Thoroughbred County (Pro/Am) INH Flat Race

Other runners from this horse's races (latest 20 races with a next-time-out winner, up to 40 rows) that won on their next start in Britain or Ireland. FF on the race record = next-time-out winners / runners that have run again (this horse excluded).

Trainer changes

TrainerFirst runLast runFirst run for yardRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Paul John Gilligan24 Oct 1020 Mar 116/820000.0%0.0%£0€0
Paul John Gilligan
First run
24 Oct 10
Last run
20 Mar 11
First run for yard
6/8
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Trained by one trainer throughout its British and Irish career.

Stats

Career summary by code (GB & IRE)

CodeRunsWins2nd3rdWin %Place %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)First runLast run
National Hunt20000.0%0.0%£0€024 Oct 1020 Mar 11
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Runs
2
Wins
0
2nd
0
3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Place %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
First run
24 Oct 10
Last run
20 Mar 11

Placed = 1st in 2-4 runners, 1st-2nd in 5-7, 1st-3rd in 8+.

Pedigree

Pedigree

Sire branchBeneficial (GB)

Parent · 1

  1. SireBeneficial (GB)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Sire's sireTop Ville (IRE)
  2. Sire's damYouthful (FR)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Sire's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Sire's sire's damNot traced
  3. Sire's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Sire's dam's damNot traced
Dam branchCadew Point (IRE)

Parent · 1

  1. DamCadew Point (IRE)

Grandparents · 2

  1. Dam's sireBe My Native (USA)
  2. Dam's damThe Village Vixen (IRE)

Great-grandparents · 4

  1. Dam's sire's sireNot traced
  2. Dam's sire's damNot traced
  3. Dam's dam's sireNot traced
  4. Dam's dam's damNot traced
Beneficial (GB)
Cadew Point (IRE)
Top Ville (IRE)
Youthful (FR)
Be My Native (USA)
The Village Vixen (IRE)
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced
Not traced

Breeding card

HorseSo They Say (IRE)
Sexgelding
Foaled2006
SireBeneficial (GB)
DamCadew Point (IRE)
DamsireBe My Native (USA)
Sire's sireTop Ville (IRE)
Sire's damYouthful (FR)
2nd damThe Village Vixen (IRE)
Dam's produce1 winners from 3 runners
Notable siblingNotdisbutdat (IRE)

Female line

  1. Cadew Point (IRE) · by Be My Native (USA) · 1 winners from 3 runners
  2. The Village Vixen (IRE) · 0 winners from 3 runners

Sire, dam and damsire

SireDamDamsireSexSire's avg winning distanceDamsire's avg winning distance
Beneficial (GB)Cadew Point (IRE)Be My Native (USA)geldingFlat 13.7f · NH 2m3½fFlat 10.5f · NH 2m4½f
Beneficial (GB)
Sex
gelding
Sire's avg winning distance
Flat 13.7f · NH 2m3½f
Damsire's avg winning distance
Flat 10.5f · NH 2m4½f

Progeny of Beneficial (GB) in this horse's best conditions

ConditionRunsWinsPlacedWin %Place %This horse runsThis horse wins
All National Hunt runs18,7051,9525,06910.4%27.1%20
At 2m to 2m1f6,4206741,77810.5%27.7%20
On Good to soft or yielding going3,73737898710.1%26.4%10
At 2m to 2m1f on Good to soft or yielding going1,22412532910.2%26.9%10
All National Hunt runs
Condition
All National Hunt runs
Runs
18,705
Wins
1,952
Placed
5,069
Win %
10.4%
Place %
27.1%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
0
At 2m to 2m1f
Condition
At 2m to 2m1f
Runs
6,420
Wins
674
Placed
1,778
Win %
10.5%
Place %
27.7%
This horse runs
2
This horse wins
0
On Good to soft or yielding going
Condition
On Good to soft or yielding going
Runs
3,737
Wins
378
Placed
987
Win %
10.1%
Place %
26.4%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
0
At 2m to 2m1f on Good to soft or yielding going
Condition
At 2m to 2m1f on Good to soft or yielding going
Runs
1,224
Wins
125
Placed
329
Win %
10.2%
Place %
26.9%
This horse runs
1
This horse wins
0

Best distance band and going band are where this horse has most wins (then places, then runs) in its main code. Sire figures: all British and Irish runs by the sire's progeny since 1990.

Beneficial (GB) × Be My Native mares (the cross)

CodeRunnersWinnersWinners %Black-type winnersRunsWins2nd/3rdWin %Prize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
National Hunt421945.2%0736611378.3%£266,102€415,911
Flat100.0%01000.0%£0€0
All runs421945.2%0737611378.3%£266,102€415,911
National Hunt
Code
National Hunt
Runners
42
Winners
19
Winners %
45.2%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
736
Wins
61
2nd/3rd
137
Win %
8.3%
Prize GB (£)
£266,102
Prize IRE (€)
€415,911
Flat
Code
Flat
Runners
1
Winners
0
Winners %
0.0%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
1
Wins
0
2nd/3rd
0
Win %
0.0%
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€0
All runs
Code
All runs
Runners
42
Winners
19
Winners %
45.2%
Black-type winners
0
Runs
737
Wins
61
2nd/3rd
137
Win %
8.3%
Prize GB (£)
£266,102
Prize IRE (€)
€415,911

All British and Irish runners by this sire out of mares by this damsire, since 1990 (includes this horse). Black type = Group/Grade 1-3 or Listed winner.

Best of the cross

HorseRunsWinsBlack-type winsPrize GB (£)Prize IRE (€)
Colms Dream (IRE)3570£1,145€99,395
Upswing (IRE)3460£74,138€0
Gin Cobbler (GB)6260£31,638€0
Ben Brody (IRE)3550£17,163€17,475
Claragh Native (IRE)5850£25,900€20,425
Orpheus Valley (IRE)3840£0€124,828
Bennys Girl (IRE)4740£32,915€1,105
Never Complain (IRE)2930£2,215€28,470
Some Lad (IRE)3330£18,437€0
Benalma (IRE)3930£0€26,347
Sweden I (IRE)520£7,366€0
Jump Jet (IRE)1620£12,541€0
Colms Dream (IRE)
Runs
35
Wins
7
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£1,145
Prize IRE (€)
€99,395
Upswing (IRE)
Runs
34
Wins
6
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£74,138
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Gin Cobbler (GB)
Runs
62
Wins
6
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£31,638
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Ben Brody (IRE)
Runs
35
Wins
5
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£17,163
Prize IRE (€)
€17,475
Claragh Native (IRE)
Runs
58
Wins
5
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£25,900
Prize IRE (€)
€20,425
Orpheus Valley (IRE)
Runs
38
Wins
4
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€124,828
Bennys Girl (IRE)
Runs
47
Wins
4
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£32,915
Prize IRE (€)
€1,105
Never Complain (IRE)
Runs
29
Wins
3
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£2,215
Prize IRE (€)
€28,470
Some Lad (IRE)
Runs
33
Wins
3
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£18,437
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Benalma (IRE)
Runs
39
Wins
3
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£0
Prize IRE (€)
€26,347
Sweden I (IRE)
Runs
5
Wins
2
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£7,366
Prize IRE (€)
€0
Jump Jet (IRE)
Runs
16
Wins
2
Black-type wins
0
Prize GB (£)
£12,541
Prize IRE (€)
€0

Top 12 by best win level, then wins.

Family

Dam summary

Cadew Point (IRE)

G1 winners
0
Produce
1 winners from 3 runners

Full siblings

Half siblings

By Flemensfirth (USA)

Female line

  1. 1Cadew Point (IRE) · by Be My Native (USA)
  2. 2The Village Vixen (IRE)

Notable relatives

No black-type winners in this female family in GB or IRE since 1990.

View full The Village Vixen family

In brief

When was So They Say foaled?

So They Say (IRE) was foaled in 2006.

Who are the sire and dam of So They Say?

So They Say (IRE) is by Beneficial (GB) out of Cadew Point (IRE), a daughter of Be My Native (USA).

Who trained So They Say?

So They Say (IRE) was trained by Paul John Gilligan and owned by Super Eight Syndicate at the time of the last run in Britain or Ireland.

What is So They Say's race record?

In Britain and Ireland, So They Say (IRE) ran 2 times without winning.

Is So They Say still racing?

So They Say (IRE) last ran in Britain or Ireland on 20 March 2011 at Cork (IRE) in the Student Raceday March 31st Maiden Hurdle, finishing 14th of 18, and has not run there since.

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